hey free at last,
you might want to tone down on the enetrate-pay ody-bay rmor-aey unless you are a troll but hey i dont believe in trolls hehehe so watch what you talk about on a public forum or black helicoptors might find you lol!

223 is great if you only need to shoot people.

I hate having to agree with Cocksmoking Curtiss, but the 223 is good only for shooting people n critters. And like Adam said, it does not shoot out past 600 yards. It also does not do well against level III body armour. It is okay for shooting ragheads and coyotes.

Curtiss: Just because I agreed with you don't mean we is going to be taking any showers together, so put the boner away you fag.

Sumbitch.

I can't believe that Curtiss is still being allowed to comment on anything other than food preparation and consumption.

"Why are you calling me all these derogatory names?"

People call you derogatory names, Curtiss, because you're full of shit.

"I cited historic facts about the adoption of the 5.56 by America and NATO."

You cited motherfucking-jack-shit, that's what you cited. You ought to be slapped in the back of the ear and demoted back to the fucking short bus for not even knowing the goddamned difference between myth and fact.

"The accuracy of the M-16, AR15, M-4 and the round are why a trained soldier can indeed kill with them."

Blood loss and soft-tissue trauma are why anybody who can learn to shoot can kill with them. What's this "trained soldier" bullshit? Put the sights on target and squeeze the trigger. Bang, motherfucker. Tango down. It's not fucking rocket science.

"I feel the round is woefully inadequate for big game hunting."

You say that like it's supposed to be some huge, fucking revelation. Big fucking deal.

"but even some people shot in vital areas with the 62 grain 5.56mm bullet have survived(with prompt medical treatment)"

Yeah? I've got news for you: the rest of the people who were shot with it in their vitals fucking died, and they constitute the overwhelming majority.

"Professionals choose it because it is relatively quiet"

Professional whom? Compared to what? A sonic crack is a sonic crack. Unless you reduce the velocity and muffle the report, a gunshot is going to be heard.

"and has an "inside the eggshell egg scrambler" effect when shot into the skull."

This is absolutely fucking bullshit. You've never done it. You've never seen it done. You've never met someone who has done it. You've never seen one, single bit of forensic evidence that might, possibly suggest that such a thing is even remotely within the realm of possibility, not in all your years of overeating, underexercising, and masturbating to "Hit Man". Do you know why, you fucking liar? Because it has never, fucking happened.

"In countries where firearms are not readily available kitchen knives, hammers and other tools up way up the list for the same reason."

Oh, no shit? Did you have another epiphany?

"1 a true long range meat/man dropper like a .300 Win mag"

The service life of a .300 Win. Mag. barrel is a thousand rounds, give or take a barrel. That cartridge just, flat out, eats bores. Once the barrel reaches the end of its service life, expect permanent accuracy degradation of 1 M.O.A. for every fifty to 60 additional rounds downrange. Expect to spend a lot of time bent over a lathe, or at your second job just to keep yourself in barrels and practice ammunition. Learning to shoot up to the .300 Win. Mag.'s potential isn't fucking cheap, and neither is maintaining that ability.

"a mid to close quarter weapon like a shotgun. This being for the "in case" you have to defend yourself against human attackers."

Yeah, which is exactly why every military in the world issues shotguns service-wide, instead of carbines, sub-guns, and semi-automatic pistols.

"The 5.56 NATO round was developed for a strategic purposes,"

You don't know the goddamned difference between "strategic" and "logistic".

"it is an inheritly highly accurate round "

There is nothing inherent about the 5.56mm NATO's accuracy. Chamber it in a shitty rifle, or a decent rifle with a shitty barrel, and its accuracy will be shitty.

"meaning a higher lightlihood of a hits per round fired"

This is a training issue, not an ammunition issue.

"most importantly for the reason it was picked, the 62 grain bullet is more likely to wound than to kill."

This is fucktarded shit that got my knickers in such a twist that I just had to come back in here and condescend to address your fucktardedness...or would that be "fucktardacity"? Anyway, it's fucktarded. The M193 cartridge has a 55-grain bullet, stupid, and it was not designed to wound. That's just fucktarded. I can hardly believe that you can say that shit with a straight face. You must be even more stupid that I thought. Do you have a court-appointed guardian?

"The reason this was a criterium was"

"Criterium" isn't even a word, fucktard. Crack open a motherfucking dictionary, or stop using big words altogether.

"that the bean counters determined that when to you kill an enemy you take only that one out of the fight; but if you wound one 2 more leave the fight to take the wounded one behind the line to a corpsman. Well the flaw in that plan is they based that on how we handle that situation not our enemies."

Really? Are you sure? That's why the U.S. went to a lighter rifle and an intermediate cartridge, because the Krauts and the Japs kill or ignore their own wounded? Really? Because they're the last enemies the U.S. fought before the Army decided that a .22-calibre cartridge was the way to go. The ORO research ran from '48 to '50. The die was cast long before Jack Kennedy was in any position to influence development or procurement, so I don't know why you want to blame him for anything. Oh, wait...because you're stupid, that's why--and, from what I'm reading on this thread, probably a sodomite. That's the rumour, anyway... Even when he was C.I.C., Kennedy had nothing to do with the 5.56mm NATO or the M16 series.

"They shoot or ignore the wounded and keep fighting."

Right... Sure...

"Thank you Kennedy administration and all your Ivy League bean counters"

I'm guessing that, in your head, time isn't linear. The Big Army went to Armalite for a lightweight, .22 calibre something-or-other way back in 1957. Stoner, who was with Armalite at that time, scaled his AR-10 around the .223 Remington, and the Army got the AR-15 in '58 for testing. While the M16 series was fielded from '62 onward, it wasn't adopted until '64 by the Air Force. The Army didn't adopt it until '67. Kennedy was C.I.C. from '61 to '63, and decisions about things like infantry rifles aren't made at that level to begin with, so you're just being a disrespectful asshole.

"for saddling our service men with flawed concepts and inadequate weapons."

Said the fucktard who has never launched a single, military-issued bullet, from a single, military-issued weapon, into a single, military-designated enemy, because he was too fucking fat to be operationally deployed.

"(IMLTHO)"

Your opinion is irrelevant because you don't know shit from shinola, dumbass. Does this kind of stupid shit come out of your mouth at work? Fuck. You don't need a LTHO. What you fucking need is some humility, a whole lot of introspection, and fucking Jenny Craig and a Lap-Band.

"As far as a family arsenal"

What the fuck do you know about "family" anything? You probably ate your family.

"A .223/5.56 NATO is only adequate as a small game or varmint round."

Always thinking about food... Sheesh. The relatively recent development of MK 262 Mod 0 and MK 262 Mod 1 has significantly improved the terminal effectiveness of the 5.56mm NATO. Out of a 1:7, 18-in., match barrel with a good can and glass, and off of a rest, the M262 Mod 1 is monotonously consistent to 600 yards. In the hands of a good shooter, it is terminal on CoM hits out to 800 yards.

"So if you like squirrel, groundhog, gopher, prairie dog, racoon, oppssum and coyote for supper you're set."

I've got some recipes for all of those if you're interested.

"Also if you can only afford one rifle a 10/22 is a good choice and like the Liberator pistol of WWII can get you more weapons iwith it's judicious use."

I'd love to see you try to sneak up on somebody with a tiny, little Liberator clutched in your fat hand.

"I shot a .338 Lepua in The Corps so I actually find these pleasant to shoot."

I'm still not convinced that you were ever in the Corps. What years were you in? Didn't I ask you for your 214, once? You probably ate that too.

"Anyway meet a bunch of gun enthusiasts shoot what they have, find out what you like best, because what you like best you'll shoot best."

It's the other way around, dickhead. "Like" has nothing to do with it.

Fucktard.

Not Highlander just a creepy sneak ha ha ha ha . When I bailed out I circled back and lurked. Like I said before I was having intrusion attempts so I bailed out and returned with better spyware. No big deal. I was posting lots of N.W.O. shit and someone took notice. As for rifle choices I want one of everything ha ha ha . Cant have them all though so I have what I can afford. I am getting a new Bushmaster AR-15 chrome lined barrel . Very nive short version. I think its a M-4 size rifgle but not sure. They are a little pricey but I can get one here for about 900.00 . The ammo is not in good supply though. I will have to order some and wait like evryone else. For now my 30-06 Remmingtons will have to hold the fort. I have a new shotgun (870 Rem) and my 10-22 ruger. I got 5000 rounds for the .22 and 300 for 30-06. I need MORE!~!!!!!. Michael

OKAY OKAY LOL

I'll do my wikipedia-ing FIRST next time. I did NOT know there was a rifle cartridge in .32, I only know of the .32 ACP and figured yours was a pistol cartridge of even more obscurity. I retract, repeal, recall, rescind, and remove my previous statement.

It's not military, It's just a group of friends coming together for survival. Only carry a few clips for the ak on me, But we have extra on the argo.