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Last year at BOSS, the field director gave us an ice cream challenge - for every 5 'new-to-us' woods we managed to bust a coal with, he would award us a pint of organic ice cream (in Southern Utah, this was quite appealing :) Suddenly we were all trying woods we had never thought to use before, with mixed success.
I read one article (will try to properly reference it later) in which the author had conducted scientific experiments on friction fires. He concluded that the challenge was to heat the wood to 800 degrees before it started fragmenting. Many woods in his experiments started coming apart at around 700 degrees, which is why (he argues) many woods give lots of smoke but no ember.
So - my question to all of you is what woods have you tried and with what success? Hopefully we will get responses from all over, and learn some new ones to try.
Equally important - what was the secret to busting a coal with each of these woods? Some (like aspen) require more speed and less pressure, while others respond well to a lot of down pressure. I theorize that the woods that want to fragment before 800 degrees can sometimes be finessed with high speed/light pressure, combined of course with endurance and patience :)
I read one article (will try to properly reference it later) in which the author had conducted scientific experiments on friction fires. He concluded that the challenge was to heat the wood to 800 degrees before it started fragmenting. Many woods in his experiments started coming apart at around 700 degrees, which is why (he argues) many woods give lots of smoke but no ember.
So - my question to all of you is what woods have you tried and with what success? Hopefully we will get responses from all over, and learn some new ones to try.
Equally important - what was the secret to busting a coal with each of these woods? Some (like aspen) require more speed and less pressure, while others respond well to a lot of down pressure. I theorize that the woods that want to fragment before 800 degrees can sometimes be finessed with high speed/light pressure, combined of course with endurance and patience :)
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Re: Wood for Friction Fires
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 9:02 PMAnd I have a question for you...
Did you get any ice cream?
This is not a skill I'm proficient in. :-( Lots of matches and lighters in my caches... -
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Re: Wood for Friction Fires
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 10:27 PMlol Ambivert - I earned one pint (some instructors got two, and one got three!). I am by no means considered a guru by BOSS standards, where all of the lead instructors have been there 8-10 years or more (in addition to whatever previous experience they had).
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Re: Wood for Friction Fires
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 11:29 PMWhooo boy, you just opened a whole can of worms now. Willow is good, as is cedar, maple, basically anything that you can make a nice clean indent with your thumb nail into it. -
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"anything that you can make a nice clean indent"
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 12:34 AMDeer Runner
Interesting! I have never heard or used that criteria (I still have a lot to learn). In Utah we were spoiled with plenty of sage, and while you cannot sink a nail into it (hard stuff), I can hardly imagine an easier wood to start fires with. You can use it green with reliable results!
I had heard willow was good, but am thinking they may not drop branches often. There are lots of willows around here, but I can't find anything big enough to get a hearth board from.
Hmmm... I know sometimes the root wood works better than the branch (cottonwood, for example)...
On the other hand I have tried Ponderosa Pine, a softer wood, and could not get anything but lots of smoke. One of my fellow instructors did bust a coal from Ponderosa, but only after several hours of diligent work.
Is the thumb nail guide based on your experience (i.e., it has served you well where you live), or one that you got from another source? How universal do you think it is? -
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Re: "anything that you can make a nice clean indent"
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 6:43 AMActualy, sage CAN be used, just a real bear for beginners. Most out west use sage for hand drills. -
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Re: "anything that you can make a nice clean indent"
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 10:42 PMi just bought a magnifying glass instead of this malarkie lol -
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Re: "anything that you can make a nice clean indent"
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 12:20 AMA magnifying glass can be lost; once you have the skills and experience you will always have fire - and with it warmth, safe drinking water, cooked food, protection... even straight arrow shafts or clay pottery in time. -
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Re: "anything that you can make a nice clean indent"
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 11:09 PMI usually use a soft wood as the base, and hard wood for the drill, by the way all the wood has to be dry as can be, if you have shoe lace, flax, hemp to make some twine, then make a bow, it makes life so much easier than slapping the drill in between your hands. Now I've never bothered cracking a coal with wood itself as it takes for ever, usually close to the drill hole I'll put dry leaves, bark, coconut husk something that will easily catch alight. Once the dry litter cracks some embers, give it a little blow, and it should bust into flames.
This method usually takes about 2 - 5 minutes to get a fire started, only problems I've ever encountered is when it rains, and your forever looking for dry litter. Some good places to look is under dead logs, coconut husks, some trees hold onto a fair bit of bark the inner layers remain dry.
In Australia the hard wood can be various gums, some gums have sappy soft wood towards the bark and a core of hard wood, I generally just look on the ground and pick and choose. I've never thought about what types of wood. The aboriginals in Australia have perfected this technique and make pretty damn good teachers. -
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"when it rains"
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 11:25 PMOne of the first things I do when back country is to bundle some dry tender into my pack. Sooner or later there will be a wet night and it is easier to carry a little light weight fire starter than it is to look for dry stuff on a dark rainy night.
Candles are handy for this situation also - get the candle lit and it will help you light other stuff.
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