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A lot of threads on this tribe have focused on what things to buy or what land to buy. What about a list of essential skills - a minimal list of things we can all learn. These should be everyman skills that we can all hope to learn, not specialties that would require us to quit our day jobs. Kind of like the basic emergency kit, but in skill set rather than items.
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Re: Essential Skills
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 3:40 PMWell, you gotta know several ways to make fire. And some of them should be without tools of any kind other than what you can fashion quickly from common items in the areas you frequent.
you can make fire from water, did you know that? save your little sandwich bag or snack bag of clear plastic. Heck, most places in the world you can find such litter even in the wilderness. Put some water in it, about a golf-ball volume minimum. make a 'bubble' of water and twist it off. Don't use a corner of the bag, use the middle so you get a nice, round ball. you can manipulate this ball of water to act like a magnifying glass. And it does work as long as the bag is good and clear, not dingy and dirty, which filters too much light.
I've heard you can fashion a magnifying glass lens from ice and make fire with it if you're caught out in a cold place, I've never tried it but it makes sense.
and you should know how to make a fire-plough, or drill-method (bow-and-drill is not necessary, just easier. You can just twirl the stick with your hands if you know what you're doing concerning drill-tip shape, thickness, dryness, etc)
Practice PRACTICE!!! the 'moment of truth' is a really crappy place to be testing out (and probably failing) your vague academic ideas about a skill. Know how to do it. Know the difference between good tool materials and bad ones. Good methods and bad ones. Even terrain selection and slope of the land and time of day can affect your ability to make fire. -
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Fire
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 3:55 PMThoroughly second the fire advice. Fire solves so many problems - shelter, water treatment, signaling, even protection from wild animals. More foods become edible if you can cook them.
Let me also say that I have seen repeatedly the calming effect of a nice campfire. More than once I have pulled into camp after dark with a bunch of inner city kids who were freaking out! These kids may have been shot or stabbed or locked up, but they have never been in the woods before, let alone the woods after dark. Get a little fire going, and the whole mood changes. The morale boost is absolutely amazing.
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Re: Fire
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 6:29 PMWe call fire "Ranger TV"
even though unless you're in a well protected environ you're never lighting fires
I've thought for years that clearly we're heavily evolutionarily selected to be fascinated by fire, I wonder if any studies of this have been done. -
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"evolutionarily selected to be fascinated by fire"
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 7:49 PMAbsolutely! (that is, I have the same thought). I have heard that our addiction to TV is in part the attraction of flickering light images. This is why you find yourself drawn to stare at the TV in the room, even if you don't care about what is playing.
I can certainly imagine that our prehistoric cousins who strayed from the fire had a shorter life expectancy than the ones who stayed near (picturing stalking saber-tooth in the shadows here)!
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"Ranger TV"
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 7:51 PMOne instructor friend of mine called it "abo tv" (abbo, as in short for "aboriginal"). Then he poked the fire with a stick a few times and said, "look - I'm changing the channel" :)
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Re: Essential Skills
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 3:47 PMFor me it is easiest to organize my thoughts around survival priorities:
3 seconds - keep your calm; DON'T PANIC - just having some adventures, going on some camping trips where you don't take all the amenities, can do wonders to give you a "been there, done that" type calmness.
3 minutes - address life-threatening injuries - everyone can take a half-day CPR class, and most of us should be able to take a 2-day Wilderness First Aid course through WMI, WMA, or SOLO. There are more extensive certifications if you find you have a talent or passion for this stuff.
3 hours - shelter (from hypo- or hyper-thermia) - everyone should be aware of the five ways a body loses heat and some basic ways to mediate these in an emergency. Everyone should know multiple ways to start fires (what if you lose your $100 wind-proof lighter? what if the woods you are used to using for friction fires aren't around?). Everyone should practice building debris shelters (and test their shelters for wind and water resistance). Everyone should also be able to predict the weather at least a day in advance, even without modern technology.
3 days - water - Everyone should know how to find water and how to assess the water for safety. Everyone should know at least a couple of low-tech ways for treating water (boiling, uv).
3 weeks - food - Everyone can learn to fish, and everyone can learn to recognize at least a couple of edible plants in their local area. I would not wait for an emergency to practice harvesting and eating these plants (remember the importance of "been there, done that" peace of mind). POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION is a must! You are better off hungry than sick.
3 months - social contact - here I would include some navigation and communication skills. Do you know universal emergency signals? You don't want to be telling a plane that all is well when you really want help! If you get turned around in the woods or the desert, can you find your way back? Even if it is overcast or you are snow-blinded? If not, you are probably best to just sit tight and hope someone finds you. With only a little practice, however, all of us can learn to find our way even without modern instruments. Look at the Polynesians! They found their way back and forth between small islands all over the Pacific! -
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Mon, June 1, 2009 - 4:26 PMI hear ya, except on predicting the weather a day in advance. out here in the desert, you can't predict the weather five minutes in advance. storms build out of clear skies in a couple hours. Wind picks up to a howl in the canyons over nothing more than a setting sun and the rapid cooling of the lee-sides of the mountains. It can be raining hard enough to cause flash-floods in the ravines, and then the sky will stop and clear up in twenty minutes like someone just turned off the faucet and opened the blinds.
I usually prepare for the worst, and am almost always disappointed, which is a good thing. I've been camping at high elevations in july and gotten caught in snow blizzards when the early morning had me sweating under 90 degree sun in my shorts. You build a shelter good enough for the snow and then the sun comes out and makes you look like a fool. But you just can't count on the sun coming out every time. -
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Desert Weather
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 5:00 PMFiguring out local weather patterns can be challenging (especially for someone like me, who moves around so much!), but there are patterns. I guarantee you the natives whose lives depended on it knew how to read them. You can learn, if you have the patience to observe.
Mountains will draw moisture out of air that seemed dry at lower altitude (the saturation point lowers as altitude increases). Where does your weather come from? Are you in the route of a maritime tropical or maritime polar? Once you know, and know which way these come from, you know which direction to watch. You can also watch for changes in barometric pressure - there are lots of clues for this, from the flow of springs (lower air pressure allows them to flow faster) to the behavior of smoke and birds ("smoke and birds go high, no clouds in the sky - smoke and birds go low, watch out for a blow") to the organization of foam on your morning coffee! (low air pressure allows a more-pronounced meniscus effect).
When I assess weather, I picture an equation in my head:
Weather = W+C+BP/T
W = Wind
C = Clouds
BP = Barometric Pressure
T = Topography
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Re: Desert Weather
Tue, June 2, 2009 - 10:13 AMholy crap someone needs to replace our local weather man with you Darkling... at least you seem to know what you're talking about. It's always "partly cloudy" here. -
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Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:56 PMlol Dave - I know just enough to whet my appetite for more!
Now if we *all* practiced watching our local weather, and passed our learnings along here... (just saying)
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:32 AMMe and mine are starting lower on the skill chain here. I've enrolled the kidlets and I in a first aid/CPR class. I'll be going for "re-certification" ((have taken these classes many times over the years)). The kidlets are ages 10 & 12 and should start learning the how-to's and the what-happens-when......especially since we've already "been there / done that" with broken bones and gashes needing stitches.
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 6:26 AMI think some basic first aid skills are one of the best ways to get started. So many back-country situations go from bad to worse because of a little injury is mismanaged!
And teaching the kids is great for so many reasons:
1) the practical and obvious - there is a famous story of an Outward Bound course in North Carolina where the students, having been taught CPR (which is mandatory curriculum on OB courses), actually saved the lives of their instructors after a lightning strike!
2) the psychological - Kurt Hahn, the founder of Outward Bound, believed in rescue training, even above other types of service work, as a transformative force in the lives of young people. Just think what it must do for a young person's self-esteem to start thinking of themselves as someone who could come to the rescue of their fellows! Think also what it must do to instill a sense of compassion and even heroism! -
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 6:30 AMI know a soldier who saved the live of her drill sgt in Basic Training during the final Ruck March when he went down due to a heart attack.
crazy.
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 11:36 AMI'm redoing my first aid/cpr too. I may even go farther but for now getting recertified is a good thing.
I'm also scheduled for (don't laugh!) swimming lessons in the fall at the local Y. No, I never learned but I made a point ot learn now. I want to be an excellent swimmer in all types of water.
I'm learning to fish this summer. Mojo's going to teach me so I'll always have something to eat.
I've been making fires everywhere lately. I want to know without a doubt that I can make fire when I need it. I'm doing it in several different ways "just in case".
Thanks to Darkling, I'll be learning to forecast the weather this year too. I'm making it an every day practice. -
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Re: Essential Skills (water any one)
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:56 AMI'm an ex Austaralian soldier who was a medic so any questions feel free.
In Australia finding fresh water or making water is a skill much needed out bush. Like walking to the top of hill to get a bit of a birds eye view can help find dry creek beds, where you can dig down for water, best place to dig are in the bends of the creek. Near the beach you can find fresh water if you dig down a few sand dunes back.
Plastic bags, a good UV resistant bag can be used to make water from trees or shrubs. Grab a branch that's still attached to the tree or shrub and pull the bag over the end and tie it off, and you trap the water evaporated from the leaves this process takes all day too, even better its clean water. You may need half a dozen to a dozen bags though.
You can make a water filter out of a pair of jeans, cut one leg off (the Jeans). Use white ash from a burnt out fire as the bottom layer, then a layer of charcoal, then a layer of fine sand, then a layer of course sand , and finally a layer of pebbles at the top. whola a water filter.
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Re: Essential Skills (water any one)
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 1:44 AMCraig
Good stuff. I agree that getting high is a good way to spot water - look east at dawn or west in the late afternoon and you may be lucky enough to see light reflecting off an old cattle tank or some such. And vegetation changes can give away a creek bed. Some plants only grow near water (cotton woods and willows, for example), so spot these and you are on the right track. Small birds do not usually stray far from water (perhaps they have to drink more often), so they are signs to look for. And converging animal tracks - when multiple game trails start to join, they are probably approaching water.
When you are digging in a dry creek bed, look for places likely to have kept water longer - shaded nooks in the creek, for example. The water will be murky at first, but if you can let it settle for 30 minutes or so most of the sediment will sink to the bottom again.
When assessing water: springs are better than surface water and running water is better than stagnant water. Water with signs of life (even bugs and scum) is safer than water that looks sterile (even if it is crystal clear) - after all, why is nothing living in that sterile pool?
Have not had good luck with the plastic bag trick in the desert US; the desert plants here seem adapted to keeping their water in. Have you had it work for you, personally, in Australia? Or only had it brought up in training? I hear a lot about it, so am sure it must work somewhere.
Perhaps Craig we should do a whole thread on water? Seeing as how it is so essential? -
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Re: Essential Skills (water any one)
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 2:47 AMYeah a thread on water would be good Darkling.
The plastic bag trick works, and used it successfully, nothing like testing out your field craft out bush, good to know that your equipment works to. You might not have a tight enough seal it needs to be air tight to capture the evaporation, if the plants are still holding onto the water, then there is another way.
Dig a hole place some branches with green leaves in the bottom, you can urinate in the hole too, place an empty water container in the middle. Place your plastic sheet over the top, back fill over the edges of the plastic sheet and place a small rock in the centre of the plastc sheet. The water vapour will condense under the plastic sheet and run down to where the rock is and drip into the empty container. If the leaves still don't give up there water crush them up a bit in your hand before putting them in the hole.
You expend a fair bit of energy using this method so it's best done at sun up or down. I actually learned this survival stuff before the military, always had pull towards this sort of stuff ever since I was a kid.
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Re: Essential Skills
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 9:56 AMWhile maybe not considered *essential* in the common sense of the word - but I think strong parenting skills will be needed.
Packing for an evacuation is *not* the time for open discussion and majority agreement, begging, pleading or bribing between parents and children. If your children give you a hard time now about vacation spots, where you eat out each week and what they wear out of the house - imagine what's coming your way when you absolutely need them to hustle with no questions asked.
Our household is a "benevolent dictatorship". The kidlets get say-so in some things, but once a "no" has been decreed, discussion is over. <<I need to brush up on the
"dictatorship" skills...mine are reaching that semi-feral pre-teen / teen stage.>>
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 2:28 PMThat's a great thought Etana. I have seen many Outward Bound groups fall apart during Final Expedition (the part of the course where instructors step back and let students run things) just because they cannot effectively lead each other or make group decisions. Parenting skills are important, and so are skills for getting along with other adults in your group. Maybe we could start a thread on interpersonal skills: methods of group decision-making (autocracy/democracy/consensus), assertive communication, process facilitation, etc. -
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Fri, June 26, 2009 - 6:16 PMlove making skills!!!!!
Because we all know that dissaster situations trigger tons of sexual tension and freaky'ness. What better way to pass the time?
Plus!!:
If a world wide dissaster wipes out a huge chunk of the population, it is our duty as survivalists to procreate and re-populate the world! OUR DUTY!!!
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 6:35 AMFirstly, no I'm not laughing about the swimming lessons thing, Zarina. That is on my "to do" list.
Ok, back to the topic. Skills I feel are needed and I would be comfortable using in a survival situation.
As already mentioned....fire, and yes being able to make it several different ways. I'm going to be putting the water bubble to the test.
The ability to make a water still.
Fishing, from what ever I can find laying around.( a stick pole, thread from clothing tied together, something from my hair as a hook, yes I always have some sort of something tucked in my hair that can be reconstructed and used.) Or with a stick spear.
Some knowledge of basic editable plants.
The ability to make a rough shelter.
The ability to make traps for smaller animals for food. In addition, setting up traps and signals to alert for people or animals entering your camp area during the night.
Star / Sky gazing. Being able to know the seasons, direction, and weather by looking up.
Other types of skills....
Meditation, for calmness, centering.
Journaling, to be able to retain rational thought.
Exercise, for cardio and strength to carry a pack.
I think the mentioned of a water thread would be a great idea. I've made a water still in a slightly different way from Craig, and yes have used pee. It would be very helpful to share ideas, since water is so essential. -
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 11:11 AMI think it is essential to have :
Wooodworking skills and knowledge of how to make various tools with natural materials like stone, wood, antler, bone, skin, fur , intestines make great sinew.
Hunting and trapping skills. Make sure to always be aware of other hunters in the area who might be territorial or mistake you from far away for wild game. Wear bright colors when you are on the move. Camoflage is best when you are setting up a stationary blind or ambush.
Knowledge of firearms and or archery equiptment. ( if you chose to hunt or defend)
Techniques of how to prepare and cook wild game. Digging a hole in the ground and burying wrapped meat with stones heated in a campfire produces a fine well cooked cache of oven roasted meat the next morning. But, do not use river stones or rocks found near water, because they explode when heated.
Knowledge of certain vegetation for food and medicine.
Topography skills. learn to use a map and compass to triangulate your location when you hike.
Knowledge of how to use a CB radio
Love making skills( my previous post covers this)
These are great skills to have for starters. When you are a master of these, susrvival doesnt seem like the struggle to survive anymore. It becomes a lifestyle.
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 10:56 PMThe ability to make cord, or "cordage", as they say, is an important primitive skill. And one of my favorites. The "reverse wrap" will roll strands of plant fiber into cord. -
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 11:06 PMcordage making skills are very very handy! Glad you mentioned that. It reminds me that its also handy to have a knowledge of how to tie various knots. -
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Sun, June 28, 2009 - 11:25 AMYeah, knots are important. I don't know any, and end up with ridiculous tangles of rope when I tie something down in my truck. Someone should offer hands-on knot classes. That would be a good walk-up thing to teach, like you could do it in a city park on the weekends. A few bucks for a 10-minute knot lesson. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 8:05 AMI can't remember the titles, but I know there are books with extensive pix for knot tying instructions. Might check with a local library. Oh, the scouts have a good knot tieing booklet too. And fishermen resources. Just some ideas. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 9:36 AMHorse, go pick up a Boy Scout handbook....I'm not sure if they have changed over the years but the one I have has all the knots in there and they have illustrations and instructions that are easy to learn. -
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 10:19 PMtime to learn me some knots.
more skills: hunting, gardening and foraging skills have got to be way up there.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 6:12 PMThe first essential skill of a survivalist is
PLANNING- If you forget everything else, you should have a Plan. That is a plan for any event, how to get you to your loved ones if your not with them when it happens. DO THEY KNOW THE PLAN. Where do they meet you, how do they get their. Alternative routes and back-up plans. Sure you can't plan everything, but you still need an initial plan, and everybody needs to be involved. The whole Idea is survival, and it is for you and your group.
In the event of a major event, those first hours or days are the most crucial for you. If you spend that time looking for everyone or trying to figure out where to go and how to get there, you will be behind the bar and possibly won't be able to escape trouble before it is too late. Major road ways will be jammed first. The idea is to BUG OUT quickly and never look back. -
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 5:13 AMGo to a Boy Scout Meeting most any one there would be glad to have you and can show you how to tie the seven basic knots and as usefull lashings -
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:53 PMthey build rope bridges with those knots! -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:24 PMI think if there is ever some big disaster that I and many other people will just be totally, fully & completely fucked. We will perish unless some govt assisstance saves us. But look at Katrina and know that's not always gonna happen! ( Crosses fingers and hopes for the best. ) -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:29 PMyou mean the government response won't over perform by saving more than 9000 people they didnt expect to save? You mean the recovery efforts wont be YEARS ahead of pre-Katrina estimates (although behind where they COULD be?)
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:40 PMI dont know. I dont know everything. There are alot of people affected by Katrina that have their stories to tell. Maybe they are all just lying and making it all up. Similar to those Jewish people that keep insisting there was a Holocaust. ( Rolls eyes. ) -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:41 PMMitch, get rid of this guy. -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:48 PMGet rid of me for being honest? Hmm. Interesting. I honestly believe that many people will die in major catastrophes. I will probably be one of those people. What's so wrong with stating I believe this. Isnt that kind of the whole point of this tribe? To learn about ways to survive such events? Malicious. Oh I see your name fits.
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 9:06 PMThe point of this tribe is to discuss survivalist skills.
Whining is the antitheses of this.
Grow a set. Or, get out. -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 10:37 PMWow. Now I'm whining. Youre so friendly it's almost overwhelming. lol Oh I get it. This is a test. It's like Army bootcamp and youre the drill sargent. If I can't handle you then I'll never survive. Spare me your self dignified bullshit. I'll match your grow a set or get out comment with a "Why dont you try not being so anal. As impossible as that may be for you." Who the hell pissed in your breakfast cereal? Are you Sarah Connor? lol FREAK!!!
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 6:19 PMBlaming other people is indeed the antithesis of survival. Surrender is the antithesis of survival. You've exhibited both of these traits. Self reliance and never giving up are the two most fundamental principles of survival. learn them.
And dude, its sergeant, not sargent.
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 6:15 PMYes, there are people who lost a lot in Katrina. Like me and my family. Property, land, memories - my entire childhood is gone.
My father had two heart attacks and a major stroke shortly after the stress of Katrina.
I also know, having done my high school science project on a Cat 5 hurricane and a levee breach way back in 1996, that all the models predicted that even with the BEST government response over 10,000 people would die in Orleans Parish alone, and that we wouldnt even eb able to drain the city and start recovery for 6 months.
Clearly we beat those estimates by miles.
People were not being murdered and raped in the Superdome. The media lied to you. Spike Lee lied to you.
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 8:41 PM"I think if there is ever some big disaster that I and many other people will just be totally, fully & completely fucked. We will perish unless some govt assisstance saves us. But look at Katrina and know that's not always gonna happen! ( Crosses fingers and hopes for the best. )"
Dear God. Where to start?...
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 6:22 PMit illustrates a basic lack of perspective. A million people were in or around NOLA when the hurricane headed that way. Around 1000 died. That means, without government assistance, around 990,000 people survived. At LEAST 9,000 were saved by the government response (although more accurate estimates including post-hurricane health initiatives put it around 50,000 total lives saved by the local state and federal response),
Clearly this guy fails to see that much, much bigger number. Too bad. -
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 7:00 PMFolks waiting around for government assistance just galls me.
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 7:19 PMWow. It's great to be in the company of such friendly know it all types. Much to be learned here. Like how to not be an asshole. : ) If there's a plan in place to reduce the population of the planet from around 7 billion to around 500 million, do you really think youre gonna be one of the lucky 500 million? And would you actually want to be? lol ( Rolls eyes at the outright stupidity on the screen. )
I bet you thought it was cool when Barbara Bush held up a poster that said "We Love Black People."? CLUELESS!!! She said that the cotts in the dome were probably better than the homes they came from. So stupid.
And thanx so much for the spelling correction. That is so vital to survival. You spending time on here is so important. Your posts are so incredibly amazingly invaluable to us all. Thank you so SO much! -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 12:51 AMYawn.
First off, 'the dome' refers to the Superdome, not the Astrodome, which is where Mrs. bush made the suggestion. Secondly, she was right. How much time did you spend in the New Orleans projects before Katrina? I used to do volunteer work doing construction there in the summers. I know.
That's the problem with you dude, you don't know, but you spout off.
And regarding the spelling correction, given that that's what I AM, a SERGEANT, and it took blood, sweat, a little bit of tears, to get there, it annoys me when people can't even spell it.
What is vital to survival is you knowing how to interact with the people who are surviving. You're failing miserably. -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 12:59 AMHe got all "Reaganomics" on you there. Makes sense
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 6:30 AMYAWN!!! I'm not even reading your long ass post. You suck total ass. Go fuck yourself. -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 7:00 AMyou can't even read 9 lines?
Amazing.
No wonder you expect the gubment to take care of you. -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 7:02 AMI can read ALOT. Just not from assholes like you. It is my response to you. One individual to another. You are a dick. -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 8:04 AMThat may be, but its completely irrelevant to what I wrote. I didn't personally attack you or call you names. I merely pointed out that you didn't know what actually went on during Katrina, and that you were exhibiting traits that were not conducive to survival.
If that makes me a dick, so be it. As a SERGEANT being a dick is part of my job. -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 6:10 PMGreat. A dick that enjoys being one. Thanx for the clarification. Like I needed it. -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 8:10 PMClearly you did. You also seem to have a problem noting the difference between what you think people say and what they actually say.
Now, its nice that you're a tough guy who calls people names over the internet, which of course makes you nothing close to bein an ass, or a dick, but its completely counter productive to this tribe.
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 8:21 PMBabel on dude. Just sounds like a bunch of blah blah blah to me. I'm sure you can keep it up forever. Trollboy. -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 8:33 PMI'm pretty sure you dont understand what a troll really is.
Thats cool though. When SHTF and I have to go jump out of a helo to save you, I wont hold your behavior against you. -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 6:23 AMYou and Malicious make survivalism less desirable and suicide seem like a good option. I'm pretty certain you understand that you are very unfriendly people. You can continue making justifications for it like you think the fact that youre a dick will somehow help you survive. At this point if you were reaching down to save me I'd push you to your death and say "Ooopsie. Accident." This is what you inspire. So keep pretending you have righteous aspirations. And Malicious, fool, if you were tied to the tracks and I had the choice, I would probably laugh in your face even though I could easily drag you to the side to save your life. Just watch the train mangle you into a bunch of blood and guts. lol That's hot.
Actually even though assholes like you guys totally suck, I'd probably still help you. That's just how I am. The fact that you bring up the debate is yet further testament to your character. Or lack thereof.
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Re: Essential Skills
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 6:40 AMclearly you also have some sort of mental problems. You continue to call me names although I have been quite cordial with you.
You also seem to contradict yourself without exhibiting any cognitive dissonance.
first you tell us how you would kill us
then you tell us you'd help us
these are mutually exclusive options.
Anyway, while you're waiting around for the gubment, ie, me, to come rescue you, I'll continue being straightforward, honest, and forthright. If that means to you I'm a dick, or an ass, the only conclusion I can reach is that you are obsessed with dicks and asses. -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 6:44 AMThe only conclusions I would expect from you towards me will all be negative. Thanks for sucking. Have a nice life. Enjoy your pedestal and never let your blindness allow you to fall off.
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 7:29 AMmay you be blessed with a little self assessment at some point -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 5:57 PMAnd yourself as well.
Like making a spear is gonna help when the earth is totally poisoned and toxic. Making a spear is something that will become irrelevant. There will come a time when the fact that so & so has worked out a little more than others isnt going to make a damned bit of difference. I walk three to five miles three times a week wearing a fifty pound weighted Golds vest. I ride my bike 9 miles three or four times a week. It's probably what's helped me "survive" as long as I have. Just the will to get up and put one foot in front of the other takes alot of strength at times. And the day will come for us all when that strength is tapped. When we all reach the inevitable last breath. Survival is a basic instinct of most living things. There are those that survive and those that dont. It's the ones that do that think it has everything to do with their own choices and decisions that humor me. Granted a good deal of survival, as well as our place in the world and quality of life, are a direct result of our own making. But ultimately there will come a time when we will all be physically impotent and obsolete. That's when the fact that our head is as together as is can be will help up just accept the transition. How about another bowl of depleted uranium. Yaaaay! To good health and survival and all that other good stuff. Yaaaaaaay!!! SUCK IT!!! -
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Sat, July 11, 2009 - 4:06 AMpeople who talk tough over the internet dont get a lot of respect here, or anywhere, really, mr poisoned earth waiting for the gubment. -
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Sat, July 11, 2009 - 10:23 AMYou guys are made for each other. get a room and fuck, already! =D
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Sat, July 11, 2009 - 2:19 PMI'm not talking tough. This is how I talk whether I'm on the internet or not. Dumbass. Talking tough. lol
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Re: Essential Skills
Sat, July 11, 2009 - 6:29 PMI think that truly one of the most essential skills is the abililty to see the possibility and utility in the things at hand. When I was in school, the teacher in my gifted program would bring in a random object every morning, such as a tin can or a garden trowel, and we were supposed to come up with as many uses as possible for the object or its component parts. It's a good exercise, one that I do when I'm otherwise bored. Once you adapt to that type of thinking, the world and all its trash start looking like a hardware store.