got a question how long do u think that things would be on a down hill slide till things evened out.
yeah i know different scenario's means different time frames. but im just curiouse as to what other ppl think on this
yeah i know different scenario's means different time frames. but im just curiouse as to what other ppl think on this
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 9:04 PManywhere from one hour to thirty years, depending on what you are trying to ask? -
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 9:11 PMnot real sure how to explain it better. and i understand that much, guess that there is no one answer to this question -
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 9:25 PMAnd I also forgot to mention that there are some people who believe we could render the earth utterly uninhabitable by humans through pollution, overpopulation, or nuclear holocaust... rendering the timeline out to.... possibly forever? And yet others that believe in an apocalyptic ending, culminating into a divine intervention and the obliteration of...well, basically everything on the planet. -
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 9:40 PMin which case god wipes the slate clean and starts over, not the first time and wont be the last time
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 11:55 AMDepends ...if central gov falls but states hold together a year maybe. If state gov's fall may never come back to what it is now....would you want it to? -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 5:34 PMhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm thats a good question
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Re: Apocalypse and the End of Days
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 7:44 PMI am interested in futurism of all sorts, and there are many prophecies and visions that peoples throughout the world have had over the ages, concerning the end of the world, or the end of this cycle of time. The Hopi prophecies, many Native American prophecies, the Sufi explanations of the cycles of time, etc. I read a book recently by a Zulu shaman, and he describes the visions that he and other African shamans have had. He describes the Big Waters coming and flooding the cities of the world. Water becoming so precious that you must have a permit to possess it. South Africa pulling an iceberg up from the Antarctic to irrigate crops. Africa, in time, becoming a single vast desert without a single running river. The United States getting hit by nuclear bombs, but also eventually regaining world prominence. China collapsing. The Americas forming a single economic block. As I remember it, he saw the world coming apart with a whimper, not a bang. A slow splintering of civilization into smaller and smaller units, as resources dwindle and energy sources are used up and global warming ravages the planet and humanity.
There is a book called Spiritwalker which depicts the world in 5,000 years, when tribal societies live a primitive existence in a greenhouse world where the oceans have risen by 350 feet and the Industrial Age is faintly remembered as a mythic time known as the Great Age.
There is a scientific theory called Carter's Catastrophe that emerged in the 1990s that uses a bell curve and simple logic to predict that humanity will reach an extinction point with in the next 2 centuries. It has not yet been dis-proven. Interestingly, this theory predicts WHEN the extinction event will occur, but not HOW.
My personal thoughts on the subject of Apocalypse...I believe that we live in the last Age in the great cycle of Time, the Kali Yuga, which is the Darkest Hour of the Night. It is the time when ignorance and materialism reign supreme. It is a time of great suffering. This time around, the Kali Yuga is the Age of Machines, and it is characterized by speed. We've got a century or two between now and the complete disintegration of the Industrial Age. I shudder to imagine what condition this planet will be in in two hundred years. The Industrial Age is a one-time go-around...we will strip the earth of its oil and metals, which are the building blocks of machines, and when this society collapses for good, there will be no resources left to ever rebuild the technology we now live with. A tiny percentage of humans will survive the end of the Kali Yuga, and slowly repopulate the earth as the great cycle of time begins anew. The cities will become poisonous pits, rusting and polluted, shunned by survivors. Eventually the vestiges of our civilization will be consumed by water, dirt and vegetation, as nature regains its dominant status.
There has never been a civilization that didn't collapse, and we're fools to think otherwise.
We're in for a wild ride, but it's what we all signed up for. Many global and regional challenges, a whirlwind of catastrophes and earth changes and awe-inducing hi-technologies, all of it winding up and up, faster and faster...until the earth is ready to begin anew. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:28 PMhonestly, whether it's the 'big finale' or just a major freaking hitch in the road of life, I really think things are going to reach a crescendo in the next 10-60 months, here in the states and in much of the world. I wouldn't put it out of the ballpark to say that we could all end up subsisting, maybe even the 'teotwawki' scenarios that people talk about. Will it add up to a big bang, or will we look at it in thirty years from now as another one of those world-altering black ages like the bubonic plage, the great depression, WWII all rolled into one? Will our kids learn about it in history books, or from the tribal elder? I have no idea. I do think things are gonna get big real soon though. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 10:27 PMTime to bury the .308 ammo, I think. I mean, bury the rest of it. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 6:06 AMIMO I don't think it is going to be a night and day type of scenario, such as a nuclear strike, but a slow degradation of society as we know it.
We are already giving up more and more of our Freedoms each day in the form of Presidential Derees and Homeland Security Directives.
I think the first turds are hitting the fan daily.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:11 AMI have stayed out of this for awhile, personally I don't think we will have zombie movie like conditions or even nuclear winter, I think we will wake up one day and our goverment will be in total control, at this point poeple are so apathetic that I don't believe we can turn the tides. As far as movie references, I think of Johnnie Neumonic, and the low techs, I think little bands of the well armed, well supplied and well hidden will do best. Our gov't at its best is Tyrannical and at its worst buffonish.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:16 AMMay you live in interesting times..... -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:32 AMI've never figured that out...is it well wishing ...or a curse ? -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 6:18 PMit's a curse, bro. a curse that sounds like a blessing if you don't know what it means. boring times are safe. interesting times are dangerous. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 11:02 PMMal is working on perfecting the art of minimal-word insults.... hehe
I guess she forsees an end-scenario involving a shortage of vocabulary or something. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:22 PMIt'll be nympho cheerleader zombies, at least I hope it is.
Unfortunately it'll probably be nothing nearly as much fun. People'll be gettin' fukd, but no the happy, fun kind.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 3:43 PMI vote for economic collapse. It probably won't be that soon. Hopefully, it happens before I'm retirement age, 30-35 years from now. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:27 PMWhen your grandkids ask you how world war three started, you will probably tell them the big kickoff was 9/11 and our subsequent invasion of the middle east.
Then you will tell them about all the debt that led to out of control variable rate loans, and the housing collapse, which triggered the second great depression, a recession that lasted from late 2008 to 2011...
You'll tell them about how the liberal president pulled all our troops home too quickly back in '09, and gave too much free clearance to countries in the middle east. Their reasons might have been to soften U.S./OPEC relations after all the friction our war has caused with our world reputation... but the end result was that the terrorists had enough free room to reorganize and launch a series of very aggressive attacks on U.S. soil, once again.
If hillary wins, she will already have dismantled a good portion of our armed forces, like her bitch-husband back in the day. And implemented another civillian arms ban, this time with no sunset clause, and more 'well defined' parameters (an improvement on the last ban which anti-gun lobbyists said was 'mostly cosmetic limitations, too easy to circumvent') on what classifies an assault weapon.... we will probably adopt something similar to canada, anything semi-auto with more than five round capacity, period. Ownership of a handgun will be as restrictive as owning a CCW, (sorry Kalifornians) since they are purely 'killing tools' after all.
Iran will, with it's new hillary or obama-born freedom of movement and total immunity from further U.N. scrutiny, begin to develop it's already proliferated nuclear weapons technology.
They will drop a hot one on israel. We will retaliate. Our relations with russia and china will go down the shitter, back to the height of the cold war days, but with overt military actions. OPEC relations will go down the shitter. U.S. will become a truly hated nation... making anything the french ambassadors have ever said about the war, seem like a compliment in comparisson.
With our economy in the shitter, and our armed forces in the shitter, and our citizens disarmed, and our international reputation in the worst shitter of all, only to be topped by our national debt to china...
The final step would be for china to start initiating negotiations for the collection of collateral on the obviously unpayable debt. Alaska will be named as a possible attrition to aleviate the debt. The U.N. will support their claim.
the president proposes an 'new deal'.... How about we merge our shitty economy with Mexico and canada? How about we semi-merge our sovreignties into a north-american-alliance? It will soften our international relations to begin 'humbling our image' and cooperating so profusely with our borders. Hell, it might even boost our economy to combine with the freakin' peso! Don't forget to trash the constitution and line up more closely to the draconian european way of life. We have a military exchange program set up with canada to come beat down the sheeple (signed last valentine's day) in case of uprising against our own government.... We have over 600 'FEMA processing facilities' around the country, for handling dissenters in case of 'civil unrest', when Readiness Excercise 1984 (rex84) is initiated in anticipation for the big international merger.
During this extremely volatile, weakened state of the former Giant of the world, don't forget the proliferation gone wild back in the sandbox. Some nut with a year-round tan and tomorrow's laundry wrapped around his head is gonna dirty bomb us. It'll be pretty hard for us to figure out who did it. Hillary will want some peace talks, some aid from the U.N..... our citizens will want blood, will be awakened to one last glimpse of what we're supposed to be as a nation, what we're supposed to live and fight for, defend and be proud of. There will be a wistful, unsure shift in military direction....
Stretched too thin, fighting in too many directions, inward and outward... But still a need to go after the bad guys. And don't forget, these bad guys used the big 'N' word. No, not the racial one, the one that George W can't pronounce correctly. (NUCULAR... the 'p' is silent.) Intelligence confirms that iran may have, and therefore definitely did, have something to do with it.
And that's when red buttons start getting pushed, and red clouds start forming over different cities in the world. First in the sandbox, then in the states, then all over. Martians will eat space-popcorn and watch all the pretty flashes of light in the sky coming from the little blue planet.
And here you are, thirty years later, one of the tribal elders, trying to relate the story to the grandkids of the group about how the big war happened. It's hard to explain to them what a nuclear bomb is like. You'll just have to show them your splotchy skin and patchy hair... point to the abandoned hunks of steel and burned rubber on the roads and try to explain how those things used to move so fast.... -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 6:42 AMI recently read that the reason the Joint Chief of Staff was replaced by Bush was because he would not support an invasion of Iran. In fact his words were"Not on my watch" .There has recently been a re-alignment of all command staff at CENTCOM, to staff offficers that are more in line with Bushes way of thinking. There is a consensus among most General Staff Officers that at this time that a war with Iran is un-winable. Except for the Nuclear option. IMO that is why Bush is so eager to prove Iran is pursuing or has WMD. To justify the use of Special weapons.
My gut feeling is he will try an invasion before his term is up. He feels that he has been appointed by God to rid the World of terrorists. He is not about to let a simple thing like the Constitution stand in his way. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 7:01 AMI find it fascinating that people will insult President Bush's intelligence then claim that he is got all this power and control all in he same breathe. If he is so dumb how is he able to manipulate and control so many people and get congress to give him damn near everything he wants. I think there have been only 1 or 2 things that congress did not sign off on. Hell congress even voted to keep the troops in Iraq instead of pulling them out by July of 07. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 9:27 AMLOL I didn't say bush was an idiot. I said he couldn't pronounce 'nuclear'... that's all. It's pretty obvious he knows what he's doing. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 3:26 PMThe statement was not directed to you in particular, just an observation. The post after yours is what inspired the thought.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:54 PMBush is an idiot, and the power that he appears to have has been bestowed upon him, and is wielded, by someone else--someone even higher up on the totem pole than his own father. Every flamboyant and inflammatory thing that he does is part of the show that his masters have choreographed for him. He is an idiot, a megalomaniac, a slob, a bully, and evil personified, but he is also a figurehead, a face on a billboard, a prob on a stage infinitely larger than the overwhelming majority of Americans can even begin to comprehend. There's a great, big bunraku going on in front of them, with all the strings being pulled from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem on the Hudson to either notice or care.
It doesn't take a genious to pander to the lowest common denominator, which is what the American public is. Anyone who is stupid enough to believe anything that Bush says or has ever said, or to believe that he's doing the right thing, or to acquiesce to his demands, or to even give him the benefit of the doubt by conceding that he is acting out of his own personal morality, should be taken out and shot for being that stupid. Their offspring should be taken out and shot right along side them to keep those genes from further polluting the gene pool.
Make no mistake: If Bush was to grow a conscience and a soul tomorrow, and confess the truth of what he has done, and of what his masters are doing to us all, he would be eliminated before he left the podium. He is the willing and enthusiastic spokesman for a conglomerate and nothing more. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:16 AM"Anyone who is stupid enough to believe anything that Bush says or has ever said, or to believe that he's doing the right thing, or to acquiesce to his demands, or to even give him the benefit of the doubt by conceding that he is acting out of his own personal morality, should be taken out and shot for being that stupid. Their offspring should be taken out and shot right along side them to keep those genes from further polluting the gene pool."
Some people might think the same thing about any one who believes the same things you just spouted. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:46 AMI think we should all have a "shoot out" lol
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Yesterday, 12:33 AMThe difference is that I'm right and they're wrong. -
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Yesterday, 7:24 AMLOL and I bet you wear tin foil hats too don't you. Opinions are like ass holes every one has them and they usually stink. -
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Yesterday, 10:08 AMI have my opinion's too. I'm not going to guarentee that I'm right though cause I may not be. I dont buy into conspiracy theories even if they are plausible without hardcore proof. You can make up stories about anything. But then again, just because your not paranoid doesnt mean theyre not after you. lol
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Yesterday, 2:21 PMI don't have opinions; I have conclusions. There's a difference.
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Yesterday, 8:29 PMArguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics.
Even if you win, you're still a retard.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 9:55 AMThousand, I think that's a pretty good guestimation on how thing's are going to play out. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 3:48 PMI in no way think Bush is an Idiot, in fact quite the oppisite, I think he is a very intelligent man, and very manipulitive. You are right he does get everything he asks for. But not in the way our government is supposed to work -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:32 PMOKAY OKAY
I wanna make one more prediction here.... And you can't call the CIA when I turn out to be totally right.
Obama will win the election, Hillary with be vice, and Obama will get assasinated, Hillary will assume the throne. He wouldn't be the first to die for standing in Hillary's way. I'd be scared if I were him, especially as nasty as she's getting already. She's too much of an old bitch in the public's eye, Obama will win because everyone's too sick of republicans to vote red, and nobody has enough balls to go libertarian even though at least half of america wants but is scared of the 'fringe' label. Obama is as good as dead meat. hopefully nobody will turn it into a 'race' thing, but we all know they will. Hillary might be a liar, a bitch, a murderer, and a treasonous heretic, but never let it be said that she is racist! -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:21 AMit is already about race, thats all they talk about! " the black vote" "the white vote" " the womens vote" oh that was about sex -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:26 PMIf Obama is black, tiger woods is straight out of the bush jungles of the nigerian delta. And I don't even know where that would place a real black person...
And if hillary is a woman... well I guess that makes Rosanne Barr a pretty dainty femenine dish, eh? -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 1:10 PMI thought I saw a line of black sedans heading for Utah this morning
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 1:15 PMThe sad truth is that there probably won;t be the classic apocalypse. The most likely scenario is a dramatic degredation of economy to the point where America is no longer a super power and you are living like shit. It will be protracted enough that you will quickly consume your stored food, savings, and any surplus resources. Next thing you know, you're an American wetback sneaking over the border to raise your kids somewhere that has jobs.
Sorry, nothing as glamorous as The Stand. Just remember when you look at poorer countries like Italy, Greece, or Spain; once upon a time THEY ruled the world. All things are subject to change without notice.
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