I've had this dream of winning the lottery and building a super bunker. There is a company that builds condo-sized underground structures. I'd have 3; one for multiple family living, another as an underground garage facility, and the last for major storage. The complex would include an armory and a 100 yard target range.
While many people would try to add air filters & NBC equipment, I have trained enough on surviving in an NBC environment that I have come to the conclusion that the only to survive Nuclear, Biological and chemical situations is to get somewhere there is no NBC threat. Long term survival would require complex and cost prohibitive systems. It'd be cheaper to have a backup complex several hundred miles away than to try to survive an NBC environment.
So if you had the bucks, how many of you have ever considered having a really cool underground EOW complex?
While many people would try to add air filters & NBC equipment, I have trained enough on surviving in an NBC environment that I have come to the conclusion that the only to survive Nuclear, Biological and chemical situations is to get somewhere there is no NBC threat. Long term survival would require complex and cost prohibitive systems. It'd be cheaper to have a backup complex several hundred miles away than to try to survive an NBC environment.
So if you had the bucks, how many of you have ever considered having a really cool underground EOW complex?
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Wed, July 4, 2007 - 9:56 PMLet's examine the use and defence of the super bunker that you propose.The type of bunker that your talking about is not generally attacked as a conventional target would be.That is to say charging it with a tank, shooting at it with a machine gun or even a howitzer or rocket,would have little to no effect.The prefered method of attack is to avoid going down in there after you, tunnel rat fashion,leaving three options.
First would be flame,napalm preferably. If used correctly even if it didn't actually burn you,it would force you out or cause you to sufficate.The second method would be chemical, likely the use of some form of CS more commonly known as as tear gas.Differant countries execize differant prohibitons in the use of chemical agents.Depending on who was trying to root you out, this may not apply.The good news in that is a nongoverment enity is not likely to have access to BZ, a nonpersistant form of nerve agent.But they could in theory employ gases easily brewed up from easily found chemicals.Chlorine is one the springs to mind, even if you had a good chemical protective mask on, this would kill you.The third method would be to bury you alive and leave you there.A bulldozer and a half a days time would likely ensure that you wouldn't ever see daylight again.The problem with this method is they can never be completely sure that they have found and backfilled all your exits.
Of course these are simply my opinions, I tend not to veiw N.B.C. threats quite the same way most people do as it was my M.O.S. before I got my commission. I taught part of the 54E20 course at the Chemical school.Surviving N.B.C. threats was not a temporary assigned duty or secondary M.O.S. for me, it was my primary function, it doesn't hold the same fear for me as it does people with other M.O.S's..I have trained in live agants, not CS.Bunkers serve a purpose but they have their limitations.In a survivalist situation one would be better served emulating Special Forces tactics.Creating a series of supply caches and hides and moving between them as situations dictate,would be my choice.Of course like the N.B.C. thing , I prefer to go with what I know,I was with the 20th SFG ALNG and learned that, there.The purpose of my advice is not to be negative or even to deter your but rather to share a differant perspective, it maybe that what you have now is better than what you are planning should you win that lottery. -
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Fri, July 6, 2007 - 8:10 AMMy reasoning for having a secondary bunker was that long term survival in an NBC environment would require an elaborate filtration system with positive air pressure (for a very large bunker.) Filters would need regular changing...and they only store so long (which is less than the lifespan of some nerve agents.) You'd also need decon chambers and a mad pile of MOP suits.
Then when you try to defend against radiation it really gets expensive. Ergo the underground garage, complete with a NBC HIMAD pulling a sealed trailer. Wrong kind of scenario or we come under fire (the bunker would survive on stealth and big steel doors) we can unass the AO and head for the secondary bunker.
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Sat, July 7, 2007 - 8:29 PMSO no one else has ever thought about building a bunker? -
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 9:07 AMi used to until i moved onboard my sailboat, now i want a submarine, the mobile home underwater bunker heck just call me captain nemo hehehe but really, what if you are in your cozy little shelter in blast radius or contamination area? in a submarine you could have probes topside and surface here or there to see if you can open up, or you could go to antarctica and eat eskimo and polar bear and penguin lol -
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 9:10 AMin all seriousness i really do think a submarine would be the way to go, something nuke powered and about 00 feet long and 0 feet wide would be perfect -
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 9:11 AMthat was one hundred feet long and twenty feet long (spilled beer on the keyboard so not all of the buttons work) -
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 9:11 AMtwenty feet wide is what i meant sheesh
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 10:56 AMA sub would be cool. So'd the underwater bunker. It'd also have a high survivability rate in most disaster scenarios. I wonder what an old diesel boat would cost?
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 10:25 AMWell, I'm a child of the cold war, as most of here where. I clearly remember the Cuban Missile Crisis and a few other close calls. We were country folk, too poor to build a bunker. But my aunt and uncle had a large basement on their property, only a few hundred yards away. They turned that into a makeshift shelter. Cots, blankets, propane stove, lots of food that we put up ourselves, chemical toilet, books about country life, it was really cool to a kid. I was allowed to sleep down there sometimes.
As I grew older, I imagined a bunker under a log cabin in the Sierra. Never having much money...and the Lotto wasn't even considered feasible in those days, I saw a bunker in my mind much like my aunt's.
After spending some time in the army I saw how my inadequate that bunker would be against NBC issues.
So...lately I've been thinking about IF. IF I won the Lotto, there are de-commissioned missile bunkers for sale in the mid-west. I would certainly add Adam's ideas to it...plus make it a liveable home. Grow lights for my plants, an entertainment center which would have state of the art electronic devices to listen in on Air Force One. (No joke, I know a KID who pulled it off!), around the perimeter I'd set motion detectors and CCTV.
The folks who would be there with me would be my immediate family, (if I'm lucky...a GRAND CHILD!!!), some Tracker friends, and one or two of my closer friends.
I'm a people person, and the thought of facing the end of the world alone is disturbing to me.
So, I'm placing my numbers for Lotto....12, 17, 21, 22, 34, and 49!
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 11:02 AMah hell , no im lusting over subs. that could be the ultimate .... but the lotto aint going to cover that one ...
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 11:03 AMThose missle silos for sale seem pretty cool except they went and backfilled much of them including the missile tube itself. I always figured that the launch tube would be retopped with double pane lexan windows and converted to a circular hydroponics bay, with the plants layered from top to botom based on their individual light needs.
The UofA just bought Biosphere. That seemed like a cool experiment. People call it a failure but I never thought so. Biosphere gave us our first true inkling of just how complicated our environment really is. Of course the part where they forgot to seal the concrete floors which leached the air supply was a stupid mistake.... -
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 11:23 AMI have always wanted to get an abandoaned mine and turn it into a house.
But I pretty sure that's a code voilation:)
I always tought that in an EOW it would mianly be ad hoc goups with improvisd tactics and limted milatary hardware to be the enemy.
I feel it would be next to impossible to resist an orgianzed milatary assualt in an fixxed postion. -
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 7:42 PMDefinately, that's why I'd use a lot of stealth, out of town contractors, multiple exits throughout the grounds, and a good surveilance system. A few 50 cal rifles would help too.
I figure I'd have a few pallets of small digital generators to give the natives. I'd be a huge customer of cheaperthandirt.com & sportsmansguide.com -
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Sun, August 5, 2007 - 9:55 PMI lived in a bunker for 6 years. A little dark and cramped as a lifestyle, so I figure I'll build me some Cu Chi type tunnels with a folding shovel and saw as needed. -
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Sun, August 5, 2007 - 11:00 PMI posted a pic in the survivalist photo gallery of tunnel one might build at home relatively cheaply.
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Sun, February 3, 2008 - 11:11 PMAnyone feeling so inclined can buy me any one of these for Christmas if they'd like.
www.missilebases.com/ -
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 11:59 AMI'd steer clear of missile bases. Seems every local 'survivalist' type knows where they are, and plans to be the only one to get there when the SHTF. Unless you live there full time and are absolutely sure you will be the FIRST person to lock the blast doors, well... bring guns and expect the battle at wounded knee. Besides. Other countries have had their missiles calibrated for those locations in the past. You've an awful lot of trust in communist hardware and workers if you think all those warheads have been sucessfully and reliably recalibrated.
But yea... the underground compound quality of those things are absolutely amazing. -
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 12:10 PMThese are old deomisiond ones. I was thinking more towards prior to EOW. I could see the add now:
Handyman Special.
50,000 sq.ft.
No windows to clean.
Nice fixer upper!
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 2:02 PMpersonally, I want a traveling bunker. like Dead Reckoning. seriously.
though mine would probably be leopard print or fuzzy inside. no need to be uncomfortable just because the world is in chaos. ;) -
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 6:49 PMYou need the Ark II. You remember that show? They had this EOW super mobile home that they traveled the barren world in. Saturday morning show. I think they had some weapon on top but never used it. Mui pacifico los gringos :() -
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 8:04 PMI want a dizzying network of steel-tube tunnels and rooms in the side of a hill. Like a giant hamster home.... or a techno-hobbit-hole. The kind of place where an alien lifeform might infiltrate and pick off the human refugees one by one in sneaky and scary ways. Bad lighting, lots of ladders, dripping water somewhere in the background. It would give me interesting things to do and think about in the 2 or more weeks of waiting for the fallout to fall out. -
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 8:08 PMHere's a start. I imagine you could add to it as much as you liked. Although I'm not sure that they make the big wheel running thing in pre-stressed.
www.stormbear.com/bag-end-2/
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 9:15 PMoh, I might change my mind now that I've heard about Thousand's human habitrail. :) -
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Tue, February 5, 2008 - 12:51 PMoh and for those wanting a portable bunker:
JL421 Badonkadonk Land Cruiser/Tank
www.amazon.com/JL421-Bado...ref=sr_1_14
my favorite thing about that page is the VAST number of people who bought micro G-strings and crotchless panties, as a side purchase to their $20,000 tank. coz when I'm shopping for a vehicle my first thought is "what is the smallest underwear I can war while driving this?" -
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Tue, February 5, 2008 - 1:50 PMGotta cut down the overall cargo weight somehow...
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Tue, February 5, 2008 - 3:01 PMWell how else are you going to be able to dress like Tank Girl? -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 6:49 AMTank Girl rulz!
That land tank is kinda lame, looks like he was trying to recreate some of the star wars vehicles from Tatooine or something D&D like that.
You really don't need to build something from the ground up. A basic mobile home with an imprived suspension and shuttered windows would keep out the zombies. Add a few gun ports and a small armored area for your people to hunker down in a firefight and you'd be good. Extended tanks, solar cells on the roof (RVs already have a 4 battery setup for the generator) and maybe some spikes on the front just for fun... -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 12:57 PMOne time I was down in Bryce Canyon area in southern Utah, at a gas station.... this crazy looking battlewagon pulls up, towing a rock-crawling Rubicon or some sort of jeep.... Both vehicles looked brand new, built as a matching set, and the quality of workmanship would have demanded a price tag that puts most Gulf Streams to shame. This european chick steps out of the battle wagon, which was fitted with some type of metal shutters over some of the windows, had an air filtration system on top next to the air conditioning box, and a porcupine-bristling of antennas and who knows what else. It was about the size of a winnebago. It had several angle-iron reinforced parts which ammounted to a 'roll cage'.... and a cow-pusher set of bars all across the front. It, and it's towed vehicle, were ferrari-red, with black highlights.
So I ask this lady, what's the vehicle for? She turns to me and says in a kind of annoyed, german accent and you can tell she's been asked a million times already ''Is Jus a Mercadies'' (it's just a mercedes) and leaves for the gift shop. I was left to stare at the mechanized juggernaut like a dumb tourist. To this day I wish I'd had the balls to sneak a peek inside when she was gone. Although the retinal-scanner probably would have I.D.'d me and released the sharks with lasers on their heads before I got a good look. -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 10:55 AMI have no idea. It looked like something from Jurassic Park. It was really professional quality, but you could tell by the welds on the roll cage that it was NOT a factory run. Specially commissioned and built by hand, but really high quality. -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 10:59 AMJust looked up 'sprinter van' on google. it was definitely NOT a sprinter van. It was much blockier and 'heavy' looking. Had about a foot of ground clearance. It reminded me more of a Brinks armored truck than any van I've seen. Like I said, it was a beast. -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 3:43 PMIt was James Bond's girlfriend.
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 3:54 PMIf she said it was a Mercedes, I'm assuming it must have been some model of Unimog. -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 4:02 PMThousand,
was it something like this?
unimogs:
www.unimog-forever.com/
classicunimogs.com/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimog (see pics at the bottom)
there's a guy who was selling on ebay who had converted garbage trucks into like an RV tank cruiser. that was seriously badass.
until I can afford my badonkadonk or my tank cruiser, I'm just going to put a cow catcher on the front of my VW Golf. maybe install a sun roof so I could mount a turret on the top back. ;) -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 4:44 PMYES!!!! Ms. DYNO-MITE!!!
it was a UNIMOG!!!!!!
MY SEARCH IS OVER!
that's it.
I'm getting a unimog someday.
However, the rude german lady had some things added to it, air filtration etc. but I'm positive it was a unimog. -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 5:01 PMIt look's like a cross between a bread truck and a military troop carrier. It's cool though. It would be a kick ass bug out vehichle.
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Thu, February 28, 2008 - 12:50 PMI have put alot of time into this subject, I have found the best shelter for the buck and it perfect for just about any eow event you can imagine, I am actually moving to northern new mexico here real soon from there I will purchase this product
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Thu, February 28, 2008 - 12:52 PMI forgot www.disastershelters.net utah shelter systems -
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Thu, February 28, 2008 - 1:02 PMthat site is freaking awesome.
If you have basic metal working skills, and are good at scrap and bargain hunting, you can do-it-yourself for about 30% of what they charge. I do believe that shelter really is the best kind for MOST areas, for protection from NBC -
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Thu, February 28, 2008 - 1:38 PMyeah that site is very informative as is alpinesurvival.com -
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Sat, March 1, 2008 - 3:22 PMI used to have the link to a company that built storm/bomb shelters using curved connex building style of supports. They were distinctive because they were the only company I have ever seen that built a model for entire communities. Their largest had like 8 apartments and a generator room-all underground. The link originally came from a post on one of the survival tribes, but I can't find it, google for it, or remember the name of the thread. It was tits though, only about 100K for the base structure (plus construction, plumbing, excavating, electrical, etc...all subcontracted out.)
Anyone know of this site?
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