When do you extend yourself to help others?

topic posted Sat, December 1, 2007 - 10:35 AM by  offlineSurvival_Mama
Or do you at all?

I have a neighbor whom I occasionally look in on because she's caring for her extremely frail and elderly mother who requires an at-home hospice set-up. I hailed her from my balcony this morning because we're supposed to have snow and possibly a big windstorm this weekend and asked her if they needed anything before the weather got bad. She said that they were fine, but I'm wondering if I should check again once the weather hits (if it does).

Now, I'd never do anything that put me and mine at risk, but I feel some obligation to help out my neighbors when I can. How do you guys handle this balancing act between compassion and survivalism?
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Survival_Mama
Portland
  • "balancing act between compassion and survivalism?"

    Sat, December 1, 2007 - 3:39 PM
    That's a false dichotomy. The genes for altruism would not have survived in our species (or in those of other social animals) unless they were a fitness trait - unless they increased our chances of survival. Communities that look out for each other are going to be more successful than communities that are everyone for themselves. Have been ever since communities began.

    I do draw a line between empowering and enabling. I try to help others learn to do for themselves, rather than depend on me or someone else to help them out. Ultimately everyone's going to be happier if they feel like contributing members of the community rather than dependents.

    In a long term survival situation, I would think that every living person was a potential resource - and you don't want to waste resources. Each of us will have our own skills and talents, will take turns being sick or well, etc.
  • Re: When do you extend yourself to help others?

    Sun, December 2, 2007 - 10:05 AM
    In the long term you would need some other people in your party. More people means more safety against gangs and whatnot. More people also allow for a wider skill base.

    You would have to be pragmatic about it. Don't save others at the cost of yourself or immediate family and friends. Single males and groups of males would be risky to aid. They would be more likely to rob, rape, or kill you than women, couples, or families. As your community grows stronger, you could be more open to what people you offer help.

    For an interesting read on this kind of thing, there's a couple of books by Octavia E. Butler, about the decline of civilization in the US, called "The Parable of the Sower" and "The Parable of the Talents." The books are sci-fi and the author is a pessimist.
  • Re: When do you extend yourself to help others?

    Mon, December 3, 2007 - 9:27 PM
    I think you should help other's whenever possible. On river trip's I have risked my safety to help other's. They were close friend's and I thought it was worth the risk. I'm not saying get ran over by a bus to push someone else out of the way but If my mom was stranded in bad weather with her elderly mother I would want someone to check on them. If it's not life threatning check on your neighbor and make sure they have what they need.
  • Re: When do you extend yourself to help others?

    Wed, December 5, 2007 - 5:24 PM
    Now . . .
    I went to a big lecture by a survivalist who said, "I would rather give out free advice and copies of my book now then to have to shoot people later when things get bad . . .
    • Re: When do you extend yourself to help others?

      Wed, December 5, 2007 - 6:03 PM
      yea... there is a lot to be said about everyone having the same forewarning, the same chance for preparations, etc... and from that standpoint, every-man-for-himself is very justifiable. However, I see it as more of a judgment call. I start out with the idea of compassion. I continue operating on that idea, unless I feel otherwise. And I am usually pretty closely tuned-in to those gut-feelings, as well as circumstances and people. I'm not saying I'm a mind reader, but I think anyone who'se been around the block a few times, and pays attention to things, can size a person up and tell you if they're a good egg or a bad egg. I like to assume a person is a good egg and deserves help, unless something tips me otherwise. And once I am tipped, I hold a pretty hard line.
    • "would rather give out free copies of my book"

      Wed, December 5, 2007 - 6:32 PM
      Reminds me of the "last lesson" from Larry Dean Olsen's book. Seems two guys credited him with saving their lives. When they couldn't get any of his other techniques to work, they tore pages from the back and used those to start a fire. Got them through a bad winter storm.
  • Re: When do you extend yourself to help others?

    Thu, December 6, 2007 - 3:28 AM
    I see nothing wrong with checking, whether it s just checking that they have the lights on indicating they still have power, or going over during a lull to assure yourself they are okay.

    In my understanding, this is just being neighbourly.

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