Im not asking, Im asking can you? If you cant can I help you. how far could limits take you, do you test them ???????
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 8:55 AMSo... is English not the native language of Australia anymore? -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 9:52 AMwell, to answer the question...
I'd have no problem eating bugs, worms, etc. I would also be fine eating my pets, if it came down to that. I'd eat people, too, depending on the situation. Providing first, that the people were dead, and very freshly dead at that. Pets, I could kill. Not people though. I think the only line I draw, is that I don't think I could eat a friend or family member. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 10:03 AMMost people will do whatever it takes to survive, so rationalizing it from the calm comfort of your office chair is a little to objective. Being on the brink of starvation with the dead body of a loved one nearby is another world entirely, which I don't really think can be understood until you're actually there and staring the situation in the face. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 10:21 AMI haven't been truly hungry in decades. And I doubt if I ever faced starvation. I can only wonder where my line would be. Being raised on a very small ranch, I'm not overly sentimental about animals. It woudl be hard to eat a pet cat or dog, but not impossible. I've eaten snake on more than one occasion, and no it doesn't taste like chicken. I've had alligator in Louisiana...and that did taste like chicken. I think I could eat cooked grasshoppers or toasted ants. Much to my surprise I learned that not everyone eats carp...my first wife wretched at the thought of it.
After the reading the book ALIVE, about the crash of the soccer (rugby?) team in the Andes 30 years ago, I've wondered if I could eat a friend to save myself. I'd like to say I could...but I just don't know.
A man I once knew who had survived a POW in Germany during WW2 told me that while he knew of no accounts of cannibalism in POW camps, towards the end of the war when POW's were barely being fed, thoughts of eating human flesh crossed a lot minds.
Here in my home, safe by my fire, the memory of hunger (as a child) is very very far away. But like a bad dream, it hovers on the edge of memory, never fully going away. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 10:58 AMI remember hiking down in southern Utah with some buddies in the canyonlands, 100F+ and no water for two days sometime in the middle of our 85 mile, 4-day trip. A hot puddle of horse-piss-like water in the lee of a boulder was all we found on the afternoon of the second day, after our water had run out the night before. I used a sweaty handkerchief to strain out most of the silt, had to take water from under the surface of the puddle as it was covered in an oily, scummy looking film...kinda shiny layer like gasoline but with a thicker, frothy texture like the skin on a cooled-down bowl of soup.... So I get a bottle full, and it's hot, and dirty with algae particles and there are all these mosquito larvae in it, and other little black things swimming around. I dropped an iodine tablet in there and watched until the larvae stopped flicking around anymore. It tasted like licking the sole of your shoe after pacing in a public restroom, and it was hot. I drank it practically in one draught, and was so thankful of it, I went back for seconds.
If I had waited one more hour, I would have been willing to suck the blood out of a dead animal for it's water. It's amazing how adaptable a person's standards can be when necessity for survival comes knocking at the door. The epilogue of my story? three hours hiking later, we came across a natural spring of clean, cool water. Weak!... I drank again, and filled the rest of my bottles.
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 8:01 PMLooks like meth's made it down under! -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:33 PMYea dude.... I have a hard time figuring out what Squirrel is trying to say. He's kinda like 'Boomhower' on King of the hill...tell you what, man.
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 1:11 PMLike everyone who lives in an earthquake zone, flood plain, or tornado path, we keep three weeks worth of food and water on hand at all times.
Any SHTF scenario that requires more than three weeks is bug-out time.... -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 6:59 PMHey Rich...you bring three weeks of food and water when you go hiking in the desert? or on a plane ride or a car trip? -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 10:28 PMNo, but I don't bring my cat either. :)
Plane crashes are very, very rare, and even more rarely survivable unless they occur on the runway, but then you're not that far from the airport snack bar.
I do keep three day's water in the car, along with a day's food, but not much more because in a true survival scenario food is a relatively low priority.
Since a reasonably healthy person can survive up to three weeks without food and no place in the continental US is more than 30 miles from a road, it should be possible to walk to safety from most locations long before you starve to death. That's why I thought the question was about SHTF scenarios rather than just SAR.
For SAR you don't need food as badly as you need a map. And a signaling device. And you'll need to have left your itinerary and a check-in time with someone back home before you left.
Here's what I carry instead of three weeks of food:
www.findmespot.com
That said, when you're sufficiently hungry there is no line. Doesn't matter what we might think here in the comfort of our living rooms; the line will move the hungrier one gets. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 10:44 PM.... So now the bottom-line question... "What would you *REALLY* do for a Klondike Bar?" -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 7:37 AMI'd pay the retail price.
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Thu, January 24, 2008 - 7:50 AMAround here there's not a patch of wood's you cant walk accross in at least 2 day's before you come to a road. The problem is that some new hiker's or a person that's decides one day to buy a back pack and go camping will walk in circles for 3 day's till rescuer's find them on their knee's crying, a mile and a half from their car. I volunteered for search in rescue and emergency response when I lived in flagstaff. I never had to go search for somebody but talking to the guy's that had been there a while they alway's found the missing people less than 2 mile's from the trail head. And they were alway's from phoenix. ha ha
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 7:09 AMI've already eaten insects, rats, and worms. No problem. Not saying I like it or that it all tastes like chicken, but I've already jumped that hurdle, so I can easily do it again.
Pets? No way. I'd easily kill another human being to get to a food supply for them, but I wouldn't kill one of them to feed myself. Nor would I consume them if they were already dead.
People? No, not anymore. I don't have any moral issues with cannibalism; in fact, I've often thought it would be an ideal solution to the current hunger and over-population crises. Besides, If you you can think of a better way to show contempt for your enemy...man, I'd like to hear it.
The only problem I have with cannibalism is kuru. When I saw that shit, I decided that cannibalism just wasn't for me. Since there's no way to tell who carries it and who doesn't (without symptoms or an autopsy), people are off the menu. -
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 12:45 PMI've eaten buffalo, bear, cat, dog, rabbit, bugs, it's all the same. I laugh at Survivor when they get so hungry but won't eat bugs except in the challenges. Grubs and most bugs are not so slimy if you boil 'em a little. Mix boiled grubs in with some rice and it's not bad at all. I would have to be pretty hungry to eat shelled insects though. Crunchy is good when you're eating Lays, but not bugs. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:08 PMI'd sit at the mouth of an anthill and empty it out as they emerged if that's what it took. I bet you could eat at least a pound of protein-rich nutrition in just an hour or so. more if you disturbed the hill a little, and had quick hands. That is assuming, of course, that I was in the mountains with those nice big forest ants. not the wimpy little sugar ants that get into the kitchen. you could eat those all day and not get a mouth full. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:18 PMInsects & peanuts: great sources of protein. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:33 PMWith head full of formic acid,from eating ants at least you wouldnt sleep and you could find more or switch over to termite and feast there for awhile
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Thu, January 24, 2008 - 7:38 AMSooner or later I think a starving person reaches insanity and will eat anything they can get down their throat. For me, pushing the limit's would be in the desert or arctic. I've never sucked the blood from a dead rattle snake for water but on the brink of death and a state of insanity I'm sure anyone could.
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Fri, January 25, 2008 - 10:57 AMIf I'm hungry enough, no problem eating insects, rats, etc. Everything's edible with enough Tabasco after all.
However, slightly off-topic, if you're using insects as survival food, be aware that people with shellfish allergies could also have an anaphylactic reaction to insects since the allergy-triggering protein, chitin, is present in the exoskeletons of both. -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Fri, January 25, 2008 - 12:32 PMAnd thus if a member of your party dies of said anaphylactic reaction, put the bugs away because there's now meat for the rest of you! -
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Fri, January 25, 2008 - 12:34 PMThat's one way of looking at it. Who wants ribs?
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Re: Where would you draw a line what you eat:are rats on menu or bugs beloved cats and dog: if you find food how do you preserve food
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 12:05 PMWhen I contemplate this question I see pictures of Jews in Auschwitz, and Dachau....I see Bonebags in Ethiopia, and other regions of Africa...I don't recall to many stories....wait I don't recall any ...of cannabalism. There IS a point a moral person won't cross. As for me...I see too much life in this world to even think it will come close. If it gets that bad....I pray God strengthens me enough to sit down and go to sleep.
