Where when TSHTF Are you going to be? Where do you want to be? And why?
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 7:34 AMUnless you live in the same spot and never move, I don't see how anyone could know where they will be when it happens. I move around too much... I've been in Boise just over a year and I'm already thinking of moving to Chicago soon.
Boise is a nice enough environment, though, so I guess of all the places I have lived thus far, this would be the most ideal. There's rivers and lakes, the winters aren't too bad, there's plenty of tasty wildlife (ducks, geese, elk, fish, etc.), and Idaho is known for potatoes. I love me some meat & potatoes.
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 9:46 AMPlanning to move in the next year or two to the mid-Willamette Valley here in Oregon. Mild climate, lots of land and wild places still, smaller towns with that good ol' boy/hometown/help your neighbor ethic, but also close to some nice cultural amenities in the meantime. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:22 PMu can have the Willamette valley i would rather be in the east part of oregon -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 5:30 AMWhen the SHTF I will be where ever I am at that time. I wish I could predict the exact date the SHTF so I could plan for it better but unfortunately I am not able to do that. My plans at one time were to move to the PNW area, even Canada. With Mother Nature flexing Her muscles now and her flexing them with Yellowstone I am not sure of that area now. But I still have Oregon on my list of places to be when the SHTF.
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:25 AMI live in the eastern end of the ozark's. Guess I'll stay home unless forced to flee from foreign troop's or something. I wouldnt mind doing a little fighting with the hillbilly neighbor's if need be but I know the little family is no match for trained military troop's and the toy's they have. But later when I understand the situation a little better, I will take a pot shot at one if I get a chance. In a bugout situation I am familiar with alot of the ozark's and have topo map's to fefreshify my memory. Back up spot's for the back up spot's. But here at home I have livestock, horses, homemade pack saddles and a basement full of canning supplies, candle's, ammo, tool's, seed, woodburner stove, practically everything I need to go self sufficeint today if I have too. I've worked hard the last 4 year's to do so.
As a former Ranger, What do you think the probability of all out war on American soil is? Now don't tell me if you will have to kill me. I have one of those sneaking Idy's that russia and china are conspiring to gather up and whoop our ass. Do you think something like this could happen within the next few year's? -
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 1:01 PMI'm not a ranger, but unless the fighting started within the country (like another civil war), I don't think it is very likely. For one thing, civilians in this country pack more heat than the military forces of some other countries. Secondly, with all the naval bases and satellites we have, I can't think of any feasible way for a large number of invaders to even get here. That's why terrorism is pretty much the only viable threat to "national security". That's kind of off-topic, though, so let's not hijack Jay's thread. -
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 5:43 PMI wasnt trying to be off topic, I was just covering the different flavor's of shit that could splatter influecing where I might be: )
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 1:45 PMI would have to say that an all out invasion on a human scale is completly out of the question, this is not to say they dont want to but rather they know that to do so at this piont and time would be suicide as almost every american either owns or has access to a weapon, it is my belief that this fact alone has stayed off the "RED DAWN" situation.
My main concern is bio warfare, this act could reduce most areas to a complete wasteland and open it for invasion. -
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 3:19 PMI love my Rockies... from Idaho to Arizona, you could drop me off most places and I'd manage just fine. Central Utah is where I grew up, in a small town... the kind with a very strong 'look after each other' kind of ethic. I suppose if it's at all feasible, that's where I'd be headed if I could make it. Most mormons keep a year's food supply in the pantry or basement, so I figure Utah ought to be one of the last places to run out of food. Plus, the whole range of the rockies is full of rednecks with guns. As long as you know em and are on the same side, I'd imagine that's a pretty safe situation to be in. My hometown also has their own spring water and another stream for irrigation.... only two roads to access from the outside, and produce their own power for the whole town with three hydro-electric turbines up the canyon. Pretty safe deal.
On the down side, a pretty major fault line runs right through the middle of town, I know of a few older houses that are still lived in, at a 1% grade now that they settled! Very disorienting to walk around in em. I guess if 'earthquake' is factored into the EOW scenarios, that town isn't so sweet... build a strong house, and plan on living in a tent when it crumbles down.... -
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 12:17 AMBiological warefare, is fairly misunderstood.Few forms of natural occuring bugs are any where near 100% effective, who knows what somebody might be able to brew up through genetic manipulation though. But the thing is this, if you find a fairly effective bug and release it on your target, there is no way to contain it.
Eventually it will make back home to you.Now if it is something that can be effectively innoculated against,meaning something that you can protect your own people from, you can bet the U.S. could do the same.If it is something that can't be defended against, you run the risk of it making it to your country, so you dare not use it.
Then there is the issue of the bug mutating on you.You innoculate your people,release your bug on the enemy, it ravages their population and mutates, makes it back to your folk and it is a new strain that your innoculation doen't protect against and then what you have done is not won a war but rather greated a new world wide pandemic.For that reason,the use of biological warfare is the providence of madmen,we are lucky in the fact that the resources nesessary to wage that kind of war seldom comes to those crazy enough to try it.In my humble opinion, it is a far less viable threat then the use of nukes. -
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 9:48 AMHaving done some reading on this, it seems to me that a lot of the most stable bio-agents wouldn't likely kill people but incapacitate them and make them weak, easy to control. Salmonella, tularemia, and the like.
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 9:51 AMIt just dawned on me that I failed to mention CHEMical in my last posting, my appoligies -
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 9:57 AMI picked up a copy of "The Survival Guide: What to Do in a Biological, Chemical, or Nuclear Attack" by Angelo Acquista at a rummage sale and it seems to have a lot of good info, though I'm not a medical professional (unless you count witch doctor). I'd like to get a few more books to cross-reference with. Any suggestions?
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 10:05 AMWell I recieved my NBC training in the Army so I have several military manuals still in my collection. these manuals can be purchased in most any surplus store or U.S. cavalry or ranger joes catologs -
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 10:16 AMsurvivallogistics.com has alot of military manual's like that. Good Ranger guerilla warfare tactic's too. -
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 10:44 AMI've actually bought several survivalist books for super-cheap on amazon.com by clicking through to the independent sellers. Often the shipping costs more than the book, but still makes it around $5.
And then there's my collection of EMT and nursing textbooks from Goodwill. Especially proud of those steals. (I think all told I acquired five medical textbooks for about $22) -
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 11:03 AManother great site is alpinesurvival.com -
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 12:45 PMThat alpine survivalist site is pretty cool. If I lived in a windy state I might look into those windmill generator's. They have some good deal's on year long food supplies for a family of 4 too. I like that picture of uncle sam rolling up his sleeves like he's about to whoop some
A double S. I didnt realize in the "I want you" poster that he had forarm's like a bareback bronc rider. haha -
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 12:57 PMI live about 25 miles down stream of a rather large dam. It it is a nuclear war I will be about 150 feet under water. Any thing else I like to think that me and my friends will go out to into Mohave and live as nomads.
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 10:52 AMN.B.C. was my M.O.S. in the Army while I was enlisted. I was stationed at the Chemical Corp school in Anniston,Al. back before they moved it to Aberdeen. I can likely answer most questions you would have on the subject.One problem with the use of military manuals is that they assume that you have a supply of standard equipment that most survivalist don't have.
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 12:46 AMHard to say, depends on when it happens. Tomorrow? Stuck in Kuwait. 5 years from now? Hopeuflly in a house that's paid for with land.
Personally, when it hits, I want to be at home on a good pirce of land that buts up against a nature preserve.
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 12:16 PMStaying put. More seafood than I can shake a stick at. -
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 12:19 PMWhat are you doing, Grog?!!!
''Why, I'm shaking a stick at this seafood, I am''
You can't do that! there's way too much of it!
''Oh really? I hadn't realized''
Yeah. you can't shake a stick at that much seafood: you have to break it up into smaller groups, or maybe shake at them individually....
(And from that moment on, Grog knew where he would be staking out his survival claim) -
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 12:24 PMI shake a stick at the cow's when I'm moving them to the other field. There's nothing wrong with shaking a stick at your food. haha I could sure stand to shake a stick at alot more cow's. I also shake a stick at the dog's when they chase the horses. I wouldnt mind eating dog if I had too.
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 1:48 PMcrap i never thought to do that! -
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 12:09 AMUmm? WOW? I should be checking in here at 3 times a day I guess?
seafood is great my friend but however shellfish is the last thing you want to live on after a NUKE.
and as for nbc suits I think that most truly concerned individuals must have some of the protection they need, Hell I dont have it all!!!
Maybe I am wrong? I aint trying to piss anyone off -
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 6:06 PMI am unaware of the settling rates of fallout through salt/brackish water systems....much less the wind patterns depending on location of blast, blast type, etc. What is the water cycle rates? Should we only assume a nuclear event will cause world collapse? Does this mean all water sources will contaminated (thus this discussion would be mute)? Contamination rates for aquatic species should be less than terrestrial since their environment is constantly flowing and exchanging (as opposed to stagnant water or soil) ...thus I would think the chances for contamination less (unless a heavy rain occurs over a contaminated area and one is located downstream of said area (again assuming the cause of world collapse is nuclear).
I personally believe collapse will be some other event (or combination of events). Additionally there is far more than shellfish here....but who knows..........
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Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:57 PMI've seen blast map's with a diagram of probable fall-out pattern's. I can't remember where. I think Steve at cheap shelter has link's on his yahoo group. Just google nuclear war survival and you can probably find something.
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 8:05 PMI think Alaska or anywhere up in the far north would be the ideal place to live when tshtf. When did the government stop homesteading land up there? Back in the 80's? I think that's the place where the guy's that want to bug out with their rifle and live off the land should be. I've read before, that caribu outnumber people 20 to 1. How many square miles are there to the person? I don't think when the shtf that people will have the gas to flood into the state when they realise it's time to do something. Looking at blast map's Alaska isnt a very big fall-out area. -
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 9:56 PMalaska is awesome...getting to alaska, or living in alaska full time, is what sucks.
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 5:34 PMthat means you need to follow the caribou on their migration up to 3000 miles depending on the herd. -
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 8:20 PMThink I'll just shoot a couple before they leave. -
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:13 PManother plus in alaska: no deep lockers needed. Just leave your kill out in the bear-proof shed, it won't get warm enough to rot. -
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:30 PMIt's probably so cold there you could just leave it in the kitchen and it wouldnt get warm enough to rot. haha -
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Sat, December 22, 2007 - 11:48 PMThe tough part of this question is where is the epicenter of the world ending event?
Let's say a meteor slams into the planet. Not an extinction level or sterilization level impact, just one that wipes out Utah. The cost and fallout would be significant. You could wake up and find yourself living in a 3rd world. Maybe there in your home is as good a place as any. Maybe if it was zombies you'd want to be on a ship at sea.
Where the epicenter is, relative to you, determines the best place to be when TSHTF. -
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Sun, December 23, 2007 - 4:55 AMTrue enough, the event and location determines my re-action. If a tidal wave is coming...I'm obviously not staying put. -
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Sun, December 23, 2007 - 8:55 PMI'll be living in Richmond CA. making the best of a bad situation. We don't have enough money to buy property in this state let alone in some sparsely populated state. We've put one kid through college and one half way through...so our funds for survival are limited at best. Assuming we survive a (NAME YOUR FAVORITE DISASTER SCENARIO) we have no place to go. Some of you would start shooting at refugees, others would think I came over the border and I sure don't look Canadian, and a few of you might just not like the look of my face....so I'll stay put, fight for my home, use all my survival ideas (a couple of you guys are reading my online "novel" right now) and do the best I can.
Gangs, drug dealers, and poor city services haven't chased me from my home yet...so I might as well get it into my head that when TSHTF I won't be running from that either.
Of course if a meteor hits 2801 Lincoln Avenue, the whole thing will be moot ;-) -
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Sun, December 23, 2007 - 11:05 PMJust yell "don't shoot, I'm Chuck" haha. -
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Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:22 PMWe need a code word. How about "Jalapeno!" -
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Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:50 PMany of the regular's around here would be welcome at my place during a crisis. Except for Thor. haha. Chuck, if the shit hit's the fan out there and you need somewhere to bug out to, come on out, anytime. Paige is invited twice.haha -
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Mon, December 24, 2007 - 5:45 PMThanks, I'll still say the code word "Jalapeno!", just in case.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 12:18 PMAs of this writing I'm in Louisiana around New Orleans. I'll likely head towards the coast while all the sheep head inland.... -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:21 PMwhat if they're heading inland because of a tidal wave? lol
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