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If you survive a dissaster, would you be in the mindset of everyman (or woman) for themselves, or would you try to team up with others to save your community as a whole? This includes good people who weren't prepared enough. Gunfights and canniballistic cowboys aside, If you had a chance would you think it is worth the effort? To either escape and bug out, or establish order in your community. Like helping people who are getting brutalised and raped. Sharing some of your skills to provide food and power for everyone and organise leadership.
Some people would rather just escape into solitude with their family and align with no one. That is very understandable and is the only option for some.
This question is not to judge, I am just curious and would like to know what you would do and why.
Some people would rather just escape into solitude with their family and align with no one. That is very understandable and is the only option for some.
This question is not to judge, I am just curious and would like to know what you would do and why.
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Re: Random question.
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 8:58 PMI would definitely want to help people; however, I would weigh it out carefully against the safety and well-being of my family and make the best possible decision.
If I get back to my hometown like I want to, everyone would band together, that is just the way of things there - when the town flooded a few years back, my dad, cousins, and other men from town shored up a piece of the highway that had washed out before the state authorities could even get there. No one would even question the need to protect, defend, and care for one another there, and they're all hard-working people with loads of military, agricultural, mechanical and wilderness experience.
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Thu, August 13, 2009 - 10:03 PMI'd do some of each. I would be hard-pressed to not assist someone who was being robbed or raped. But if there were total chaos I would probably realize that I had to escape or die. My preference would be to stay in place and create a community, but there would have to be a realistic chance of that being successful or I'd probably bug out.
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Fri, August 14, 2009 - 5:40 AMI agree with Survival Mama and Horse.
I would want to help as much as possible, but be very cautious. Also as Horse mentioned the type of disaster and the mindset of everyone else. My preference is to be part of a community as well....BUT if there is complete chaos, yeah I'm bugging out.
Where I was at the time would factor into my decision. If I was near to or where I call "home" that would make a difference. Knowing all the people around and knowing if they could be reasoned with would factor in before a bug out.
If I was out solo traveling or out traveling with a core group of friends that would also be part of the decision.
I think there are too many unknowns pre-disaster to really say what I would or would not do. Who knows, with the knowledge of being able to survive on my own, and being prepared that might make me bug out quicker and leave everyone else to their own devices. Having to be dependent or being unprepared could cause people to put in more effort.
So yeah, my answer might seem like a cop out but I'm going to weigh my options at the time. I'm not backing myself into a corner and saying I will be doing "this" or "that" prior to knowing the situation and all the options.
For instance, at the moment I'm back at "home base". There are now things lurking on the tropical horizon in the Atlantic. Because of the economy, most of the male friends I have would benefit from some damage here. In this particular instance we are planning a core group and networking with other groups of local friends to prepare for the aftermath of something bad. Making lists of who will be where and how to make contact after the storm to organize for working. Of course it will all be on a continuing fine tuning basis as the situation changes.
I've been thinking, after seeing how this goes, of bringing up the suggestion of making it something that is thought about on a regular basis for the future not just when a storm is a possibility. -
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My name is Chaos
Sat, August 15, 2009 - 5:05 PMGroups would be fragmented, with members in a perpetual state of foraging. I would pick off the women I wanted, and raid your day camp.
Foraging is best left to foragers. Then you rob the foragers.
I would team up wherever it benefited me. If there was enough business to support two or three predators then I would be amiable towards a gang. More guys can commit more crimes effectively. The real queqstion is revenue; can you afford partners? -
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Sat, August 15, 2009 - 5:51 PMI would have no choice but to hang out in my area and help protect my community. That is the way for me. There will be looting and foraging, but how long will those supplies last people? I cant bug out. Atleast not immediateley in a dissaster. I was in L.A. during the Watts riots all for that asshole who got beat up by the cop assholes. The carnage and violence was apocalyptic. My white friends nearly getting killed as we kept our Irish co-worker from getting raped. I cant let that shit happen in my hometown without fighting. But thats how I entend to go if I go down.
"Foraging is best left to foragers. Then you rob the foragers."
That sounds good and all but what if your supply of foragers runs out and all the weak people are gone? Is it really that easy to take from people? It is foolish to think that your are the only criminal or person with psychotic tendencies. If I were a predator, what good will it do me to team up with you? We aren't buddies to start off with and you look like a mutant. I would bust a cap in your ass for looking the way you do. Especially in a chaotic world where law and order has dissolved. If you're going to be a predator or a fighter for that matter, wouldn't you first recognise who are threats to you before you look for prey? People willing to do violence aren't only predators. We all have to watch out. No one is safe. Not even Mitches. The upperhand is always changing.
But you have to plan for the aftermath. Only the strong will survive. Rebuilding is the only sure thing to follow. -
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Re: My name is Chaos
Sun, August 16, 2009 - 7:07 PMEvil always has initiative because we strike without warning or provocation. The good have to wait until they are threatened to respond, by then they're already robbed/killed/raped.
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Re: My name is Chaos
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 3:24 PM"Evil always has initiative ..." And yet evil is naturally constrained to a minority of any population because, once identified, they are not trusted/cooperated with/condoned and/or supported. There will always be cheaters in a population (the payoff for cheating goes up the less there are because everyone lets their guard down/becomes more trusting), but they will always be in the minority.
Altruism persists in many species because it, too, is a fitness trait. Individuals perceived to be 'helpful' are valued by the community and can themselves expect help when they need it.
Karma is real, and there's nothing mystical about it. -
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Re: My name is Chaos
Thu, October 8, 2009 - 11:53 PMVery well said, Darkling. I'm of precisely the same mind. -
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Fri, October 9, 2009 - 5:05 PMI absolutely agree. Very well said Darkling.
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 3:11 PMWe have always planned to work as a group and in conjunction with other groups we are aquainted with . We will not tolerate , as this country does now , anarchy . We will provide various types of support as necessary or available . We will enjoy ourselves . We will pick over the dead . -
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Thu, October 8, 2009 - 10:54 PMGroup, Already have the plan in place. Just putting the finishing touches on the house and property. We cut shooting lanes that double as food plots for the deer. Nice touch(my wifes Idea) The Sand bag foxholes are also deer blinds used for shooting deer off the food plots. W e have trail cameras hooked right to the computer and can watch the plots even at night. Our main defense is a forward look out post that is 3 hundred yards from the house. From there we can see anyone approaching us from either direction on the road. I am installing a simple phone line out to that position and connecting all of our other defensive positions with hard wired phones as well. This way no one can listen in on our communications. My neighbors on both sides are preppers so I feel pretty good about that. In all we have 23 armed men and women living around our little lake. Most are concerned about what is going on. Enough to form a lake association. Yup Groups are where its at. Michael -
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Fri, October 9, 2009 - 6:41 PMthere's no denying a group is the most likely to make it out alright. all our evolution attests to that. But I want those in my group to be dependable down to the bare wire. I can only think of a small handfull of people I've known, who I would trust with that mantle. I'm working on collecting them together and finding more. So far, so good. The last thing I want is to be stuck with whatever riffraff shows up on my doorstep. I don't mind taking them in, but I want a controlling core of trusted folk who can always keep the group together and in check.
If I were stuck in an 'every man for himself' situation, I would be a very dangerous person indeed. I would be much more like Mitch. I couldn't afford to be any other way. Shoot first, ask later. MY survival is more important than yours when it really boils down to it. And if you don't feel the same way for yourself, there's something wrong in your core psychological mechanism. I must always maintain the upper hand in a risky situation. If I have a group I can trust with my life, that extends my capability for risk out to the point where I can trade and help others. If I am down to myself alone, my sphere of risk is zero. If I see you, I'm going to draw a bead from concealment or cover and put pressure on the trigger, and if you're very smart and careful you just might get far enough to negotiate what happens next, but I won't feel bad or look back if I squeeze one off, even if I do it accidentally.
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I hope this doesn't sound too bad
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 9:51 PMHowdy folks, I'm new here. To awnser your question. Screw my neighbors. What have they ever done for me? Really, I don't even know their names. So I'm gona risk my life for theirs? I don't think so. The most important thing in my life is my wife and son. So if I have to be a "bad guy" to make sure they are ok. Then that's what I will be, The name of the game is survival. There is no room for manners, comfort, or "because it's right." Iv,e heard that so many times it makes me sick. "some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best of intentions." That I truly believe. So sacrifice my family for a bunch of people who won't stop and help me with my flat tire. Not a chance.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, This is how I truly believe. There is no room for chivalry in survival. -
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:06 AMI would be likely to help and take in any stray children with that haven't the protection of some other adult already, no matter what the scenario. If I was witness to rape I would most definitely step in and take the psycho/s out if I had the means at the time, but might not take the victim in afterwards. I can't protect everyone, but our children will not be able to protect themselves. I simply wouldn't be able to turn my back on the kids. -
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:30 AMThat I agree with that. I mean you can only take so many, but you can find some good hearted person how might be able to help.
As for the rapest, thats why they made shot guns right?
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 9:13 PMive lived in the area im in for 42 years, it used to be a farm area and back then i personally knew every person within 15 miles, in the mid 80's the citiots started movin in and takin over, i still know the core families and they know me, i know which of them i could call on for help and which id answer if they call, probly close to 700 people that would work together to save this area
none of them are what id call preppers but they live a lot of the old farm ways, theres always a stockpile of food clothes and ammo somewhere they can tap when needed. thats a big part of why my family will all just stay here