what is it called and how do I get one?

topic posted Tue, January 29, 2008 - 9:08 PM by  A Thousand G...
Is there a term for a piece of privately-owned land that is locked on all sides by forest or BLM land? I know what I'm looking for, but I don't know where to look.

No road access, no utilities, no neighbors, and never will be any neighbors.
posted by:
A Thousand Good Intentions
Salt Lake City
  • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

    Tue, January 29, 2008 - 10:00 PM
    it exists, but im sure that it isnt for sale, i know of some but they all have roads running through them, best bet would be to look in the western states
    • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

      Tue, January 29, 2008 - 10:18 PM
      I'm looking in Utah, up in the Wasatch mountains, pretty much anywhere along that range from SLC/Provo to colorado/wyoming/utah corner in the east. Duchesne, Wasatch, Summit, and Vernal counties. I might tolerate really crappy road access, to make building a lot easier... at the same time, I gotta be able to lock that road up so it couldn't be a 'through' road. We all love water on the property, but I'd sink a well if I had to, and power it off-grid with wind or sunshine. 20+ acres.

      I'm sure more than one of these places exist. and I'm sure at least one suitable one will be for sale when I have the bread to buy it, about three years from now. I just don't know where to look or what that kind of property is called, to look for it. anyone with any knowledge of terminology, process, or websites would be amazingly appreciated.
      • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

        Wed, January 30, 2008 - 10:22 AM
        I am looking at similar types of properties in So. Utah . . . problem with BLM is it is usually pretty desolate, nobody would want it . . . There are some similar scenarios next to Sate and National park land, but stay away from the recreational areas . . . so, for example, out side of Cedar City, Ut are two mountains, one has a ski resort, and heavy recreational use (snow mobiles etc. and land prices are relatively high, but Cedar Mountain is basically used for sheep herding, is pretty inaccessible during 6 months of the year, is backed on three sides by National Park and/or formidable cliffs, etc. but it is still within 25-50 miles of civilization . . . unless you go into the rockies and desert areas it is difficult to get any farther away . . . My big concern is natural resources, and so I am going for the mountains rather than the desert . ..
        Anam Cara, Bonnie
        • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

          Wed, January 30, 2008 - 10:55 AM
          The desert, if you know how to live in it, has a ton of very useful natural resources. I used to live in Cedar City, and I've spent I dont' know how much time camping out in the desert. One advantage of the desert is that nobody else wants to live in the desert. The mountains will be full of hunters, and there won't be many deer to eat after long. The desert will probably always have a sustainable population of rabbits. you can sink a well, or even just a shallow pit in a dry river bed, if you pick the right bed and the right spot it would fill up with water and become a drinking hole for yourself, or a powerful game lure in the area.

          I'm actually wanting to steer clear of the dense forests. A rampant forest fire could really take care of all your preparations in a hurry, if you're crowded by flammable trees. What I'm really hoping for is grassland right at the border of a hill, with some property on the slope. A few copses of trees in the field are nice for cover positions and deer bedding, and the sloping acreage I would prefer to be moderately wooded.

          Oh and I forgot. A small stream loaded with big trout, and strewn with gold nuggets along it's bottom. prefferably with a cabin already built, a half-acre garden, a good root cellar, and a brand new tractor, just chillin, waiting for me.
          • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

            Wed, January 30, 2008 - 10:58 AM
            the awesome thing about utah, is that you can actually find such places aplenty... well, maybe not with the creek and farm, but desert ravines and rabbit brush, leading to a good size grazing field, leading to a wooded slope, can easily be found all in the same twenty or forty acres. The problem is finding one that's without view of a highway or road or power line anywhere, and is for sale.
          • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

            Fri, February 1, 2008 - 4:55 PM
            Our forest here have alot more moisture than the forest out west. We dont have the big fire's like they get out there. The 5 acres around my house doesnt have any thick under brush. I have a few big tree's but if I have to I'll cut them down and skid them out if I know a fire is coming.
  • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

    Wed, January 30, 2008 - 3:57 PM
    80 acres was recently for sale in the Saline Valley, Inyo County, California. Totally surrounded by Death Valley National Park. No road access, and no legal way to create that road. Pretty desolate desert, but several nearby mineral springs.
    • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

      Wed, January 30, 2008 - 4:20 PM
      It is diffucult to find land surrounded by national forests or BLM land. You can however find lots of land butting against preserved lands. Maybe you can find a buffer zone between national and state forests.

      Be sure when you buy that you look into what kind of reserved land it is. Some public lands can be sold or leased or released for public sale, others will always be wilderness, etc.
      • Re: what is it called and how do I get one?

        Wed, January 30, 2008 - 4:26 PM
        yea if I can't have an unlicenced nuclear reactor on my property without encountering some sort of red tape, I just can't feel a true sense of ownership.

        I will keep that in mind, the zoning types etc. a piece of dirt isn't much use to me if I can'... you know.... use it.

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