Baffling Bay Area Ridiculousness

topic posted Fri, August 21, 2009 - 11:04 PM by  Horse
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My boss tells me that her neighbors, in a nice upper-middle class community somewhere south of Oaktown, had their house burglarized two nights ago. The burglars entered and exited the house THREE TIMES in the night, carting off loot! Because they had 2 young kids upstairs in the house, the couple was too scared to even call the cops until after the burglars had left for good.

My advice to my boss was: You and your husband need to each buy a semi-auto 9mm or larger caliber handgun, plus a 12 gauge pump, and keep them with you at night, so that you can rest assured that there is no way in hell any intruder will ever make it into your end of the house.

Thoughts?
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    Re: Baffling Bay Area Ridiculousness

    Sun, August 23, 2009 - 8:13 AM
    One word ,SHEEPLE !!! What keeps the perps from coming upstairs ,I wonder ??
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      Mon, August 24, 2009 - 12:50 PM
      They did the right thing, considering that they are not courageaous people. They wouldn't know how to protect themselves if they tried. Perhaps they will have learned from the situation. But seeing as they were weak and not defense minded like you or I. They are lucky they didnt get raped or killed. I think they did what was right for them. I have seen people who have "half-way" balls. They have the will but not the ability to follow through and do the job effectively and they chicken shit out at the last moment in the face of danger against someone more mentally prepared or hardcore. They start something they cant finish. Usually , something tragic follows. Todays society porduces many of these in the city. They are called yuppies. Perhaps he would have done something if his family were in a more immediate danger like murder or rape.
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        Mon, August 24, 2009 - 12:54 PM
        before he gets any guns or defense plans, they have to develop the balls to do something about their situation, first................ On the other side of that coin, It is unfortunate that so many rely on guns as a substitute for genuine balls.
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    Tue, September 1, 2009 - 4:51 PM
    I gotta agree with Sean, you give that couple a shotgun and they'll have just enough balls to stand up to a bad guy but not enough to pull the trigger as he walks up and takes it from them. Bad things will ensue.

    What they need is a pair of balls on four legs. Doberman or bull mastiff, wouldn't be afraid to stand up for it's family. There again you've got that faggy-ass bay area law structure. They'd probably be best off letting the burglars take what they want and then come downstairs and line up to squeal like a pig. Even then there's no guarantee that they won't be sued for everything they lost to cover back injuries to one of the burglars incurred while lifting the plasma tv, then go to jail for failing to inform the cops of their fear of calling the cops (obstruction of justice)
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      Thu, September 3, 2009 - 12:21 PM
      Yes.. he is right
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        Thu, September 3, 2009 - 5:35 PM
        I guess what we're looking at here is a desperate need for natural selection. It's sad when you get to know the dysgenic weaklings of the herd who are due for some Darwinism, but there you have it. They've lost their instinct to survive. They are the ones who, on a sinking ship, will stand there staring at the rushing water around their legs and make no effort to get to the boat. The real problem with humanity these days is that boats rarely sink. Lions rarely manhunt. And food is too easy to procure.
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          Fri, September 4, 2009 - 5:47 AM
          My sister was burgled and her boyfriend made her go down to check, biggest pussy ever, lucky for her the thieves already left. Knew it from the start though, he has a very weak and flimsy hand shake. For obvious reasons there no longer together.

          I recon the the family mentioned above did the right thing too, presides I can imagine their yuppie thoughts "Please don't come up the stairs, the insurance will cover it". Main thing is no one was hurt or died I suppose.

          I remember seeing a bloke on the news being charged for grievous bodily harm, being that he shot a burglar in the leg in his own home. So yeah it really sucks in aus sometimes. What's worse is that thief probably sued the dude that shot him.
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    Fri, September 4, 2009 - 10:03 PM
    Come to think of it, if this couple had blasted the burglars, they'd be facing murder charges right now.
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      Sat, September 5, 2009 - 11:26 AM
      Horse. You live there too. It's way past time to reassess your living circumstances. What does frisco have that any other major city doesn't have, that justifies, to you, living in a place where it is criminal to defend yourself. A place where the bad guys are protected and the good guys are treated like cattle. A place where there are more restrictive laws than any other place in america. The least ammount of freedom, one of the highest levels of crime.

      I'm serious. Give me some good reasons why you don't pull your head out of your ass and relocate from that trap.
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        Sat, September 5, 2009 - 3:02 PM
        Thou, I was born in 1968. By the time II was 16, in 1984, I was a survivalist. There was a very real threat of nuclear war back then, with the arms race escalating and NORAD's Distant Early Warning System getting set off by flocks of birds. There were rumoured Nostradamus predictions saying that we'd all die in a nuclear war in 1985. I felt some reprieve after the Wall fell, but then Y2K came around and I thought we were up Shit Creek. So Y2K didn't amount to anything, but ever since then the world seems to be in a more and more precarious and untenable situation. And yet, it's 2009 and industrial civilization is still alive and kicking. My point being, this fucked up world is always going to be unbalanced and ready to collapse, and I'm on my 25th year of waiting. I'm glad I didn't retreat into the woods when I was sixteen, because I'd have missed out on a lot. My current survivalist plan is, anything goes. Maybe there's a slow collapse and we have decades of slow decay left. Maybe Tucson will fall into the desert while LA remains the City of Angels. Maybe the oceans will die. Maybe we'll run out of oil. Then water. Then metal. Then potash. I've always been wrong, every time, about TEOTWAWKI. Currently I think we're in for the Slow Slide, wherein the Industrial Age is already on its downward slope and will result in a massive human die-off spread across this century. Am I probably wrong? Of course. I have some bugout contingency plans. I also have some bugin contingency plans. I have some skills. I am not overly concerned that my magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds. My day-to-day freedoms seem OK to me, though I am more and more fed up with government as time goes by, and I mean all government. I'll be moving on at some point. Now, please remove your head from my ass.
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          Sat, September 5, 2009 - 6:28 PM
          that was a long road to a short point. Basically, the line is you're desensitized to your lack of rights and freedoms because you've been in a cage of bay area red-tape for so long and it's only been shrinking ever so slowly, and you're okay with the slow chipping away and erosion of liberty. The second point is that you've seen a couple false alarms, therefore nothing bad will ever really happen.

          I do understand, you would have missed out on a lot by hiding in a foxhole for the past 25 years. Then again, you wouldn't have missed out on much by removing yourself from the worst place to live in america. Nowhere is safe from EVERY kind of disaster, whether it be plague, earthquake, tidal wave, riots, flooding, government evils.... but there is really only one place that is vulnerable to ALL of these things... bay area, CA.

          and they also have their own special brands of danger. You might be able to own a gun but you'll get busted if you ever try to hold it in your hand outside of a shooting range. Let alone actually use the thing to rightfully defend yourself.

          It's pretty much one of the very few places where you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't, in most aspects concerning personal freedom and safety.

          Again, why live on ground zero of EVERYTHING and call yourself a survivalist?
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            Sat, September 5, 2009 - 8:15 PM
            "the worst place to live in America".

            That statement is a matter of opinion. I've never felt that way about the Bay Area. LA sounds bad to me, though. With regards to personal freedoms, I can leave Oakland and in a few hours I can be so deep in the NorCal woods that their is no law enforcement and anything goes - virtually complete freedom to do whatever I want and live however I want. And guns, guns, guns. Everyone's armed, if that's your thing.

            Truth is, I have a job that is a cash cow. Having money has enabled me to buy some land and a good vehicle and some other infrastructure. I live in 2 worlds, but given that I live in a city, I am a city survivalist at this time.
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              Sun, September 6, 2009 - 2:03 PM
              gun's aren't my "thing", but having them prohibited is a huge red flag to any true american who adheres to what makes them american -the constitution. I guess if 'freedom a few hours away' is good enough for you, including during traffic, or an evacuation, or a storm, or a riot... Several hours travel to safety at optimum freeway speeds is good enough for you to feel safe in the event of a hugely disrupting cataclysm. I dunno what to say to that. I guess we can just chalk it up to 'baffling bay area ridiculousness' hahaha

              I do hope you can get out of dodge if the need ever arose, but you're definitely stacking the odds against yourself by choice of location.
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                Sun, September 6, 2009 - 11:22 PM
                Horse I'd think about buying an on road, off road trail bike. Flogging it down a rail way line when shit hits might be easier than a congested high way.

                I think your right horse, a slow rotting civilization we may become when the majority of all the oil and gas has been burned , or climate change is going to kick all the farmers in the ass and food shortages would make people go crazy.

                So who knows what the next couple of decades could bring. More oil and gas wars is my guess.
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                  Mon, September 7, 2009 - 10:57 AM
                  craig I thought you called them 'postie bikes' over there.

                  I already have one, and it's awesome. My wife and I took it out for 4th of july, when the whole city was a mosh-pit of traffic, road blocks, and crowds. We have a celebration here in provo called 'stadium of fire' which is put on by donnie and marie osmond, so it really is a big deal. We are a city of some 50,000 people, and we get a huge influx of population for the day of the 4th. To give you an idea, people actually camp out the night before along the parade route. There is not a square inch along the several mile route that is not reserved ahead of time. IT gets crowded and most of the city is damn near impassable.

                  As I said, my wife and I had no trouble navigating anywhere we wanted. Sometimes we'd have to ride up onto people's yards or cut through landscaping or back alleys between dumpsters and pallets to come out of a 3 foot gap between buildings. It was a lot of fun, we got around just fine. We even ran a few road blocks but the cops couldn't do anything about it, they yelled at us and tried to stop us but in the end I knew they were stuck at their post and overwhelmed keeping order anyways. We were never pursued. Anyways it would have been too easy to ditch them and they knew it.

                  top speed about 50 mph with two adults (a bit faster with just one person), fuel economy 100mpg or thereabouts. vehicle weighs about 170 pounds, so even tying it to the back of your car isn't entirely out of the question. Lifting it over an impassable obstacle is also not too difficult.

                  I have tried taking it down some railroad tracks as well. And I have a few observations to share. For one, you can't really navigate to the *side* of the tracks. The ballast slope is too steep and you'll find yourself constantly sliding out. You also can't rely on the empty area next to the ballast, in the dirt. You'd be amazed how much debris or impassable vegetation grows right up to the ballast, not to mention bridges. there is an amazing ammount of small gulleys and culverts that require small bridges that you never notice until you have to navigate them. You'll find yourself constantly getting off the bike and porting to the other side of any little obstacle. You might as well walk or jog, you'll get around faster. Pretty much the only place to ride the tracks, is between the two rails. And you will find many spots where the ballast fills between the ties nicely and you feel like you can speed up, like it's just a gravel road. And then you'll suddenly come to a spot where the ballast is several inches shy of level with the ties, and very quickly you will find yourself bucking wildly as you jump and bump and hump across the wooden ties, there is about a foot or more of space between each tie, so it's really really bumpy. I rode some tracks a couple months ago on the same bike and I was only able to make about a mile in five minutes and I'm a very profficient rider. You just can't get any speed on railways without losing control or getting your guts bucked right out of your rib cage.
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                    Mon, September 7, 2009 - 4:52 PM
                    Lol that ride through the crowd would of been awesome, bit of a buzz when the coppers can't catch you, hehehehe.
                    Yeah the 50cc postie bikes are pretty good for carrying one or two people. The postie bikes are mopeds, I think that is what they're called. When I was 16 my mate had one, we managed to get 4 people on it, wish I had a pic it was a funny sight.
                    I prefer quad bikes myself, only because of there excellent capabilities for going through the granite terrain. I can pretty much get any where on a quad especially the new 4*4 limited slip. A postie bike or motor bike to escape a city to your BOL or cache, would be must for a city dweller, only one better I can think of is a helicopter. A bit out of price our ranges I think.

                    Your right the railway would be quiet untenable on a bike or anything for that matter, unless designed for the track. I was thinking about that empty space to the side, from memory in Perth and Brisbane( couple of cities) wouldn't be too bad as it's all flat, but there's fences between stations and crossings. The country tracks would be quiet slow going on the side bit there for the reasons you mentioned above. My neighbour has a 3000 acre cattle farm, when the cattle break out down the railway track, it's slow going pushing them back to where they came from. Maintenance vehicle go up the line occasionally, it's a Ute with track wheels attached to the front sort of like trainer wheels on kids push bike. The track wheels are attached to a frame which is attached to the chassis, basically it lifts the front tires off the ground and the rear wheels push it along, best thing is you don't have to steer.
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                      Tue, September 8, 2009 - 6:40 PM
                      Mine isn't exactly a 'postie bike'.. .but it has the same engine. four speed overhead cam, they made em from 50cc to 125cc's... the most common in modern 'posties' is 90-110cc... mine is the 90cc. The frame of my bike is a motorcycle frame though, not that funny step-through moped-looking frame the posties have. Normal gas tank location and bigger fuel capacity, I have higher ground clearance, stiffer shocks, and a steel skid plate to protect the engine, along with a high-riding exhaust pipe with a heat-shield so my wife doesn't burn her leg, it rides just inside from her calf, keeps the pipe out of the grass and up above the rocks. I can traverse much rougher terrain on a motorcycle than you can cross on a quad-bike, guaranteed. But the level of skill required for a bike to match or beat a quad is much higher, for sure. Not everyone has the time nor inclination to master performance and rough-terrain motorcycle handling.

                      These are also EMP proof as all the electronics are protected within the stamped-steel frame. There are no external wires or components. And as I said, for the fuel economy, a good scrambler (as we call this type in the states) like mine is in my opinion, the ultimate scout-style, minimal bugout vehicle. My next choice would be the Kawasaki KLR 650 diesel... same capabilities, same fuel economy, lots more power. also out of my current budget.

                      You can get a fully restored postie bike (trail bike, in the U.S.) for 800-900 bucks. A scrambler like mine, in the condition I've restored it to, runs closer to 2,000 bucks. But if you're mechanically inclined at all, enough to do minor carb work or engine cleanup, you can get a rough-running, very easily serviceable, maybe cosmetically rough model of iether bike configuration for a couple hundred bucks. I got mine for an initial price of $150 I believe, several years ago.
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                        Wed, September 9, 2009 - 6:25 AM
                        Well done you put a lot of thought and work into that bike of yours, love the EMP capability. You got me thinking now, scouting bike, hmm yes, I could definitely use one of them. Being I pretty much live near my BOL, a scouting bike would be a plus.

                        Being I'm in the country a horse, or having the gear for them wouldn't be a bad Idea, couple of work horses about in the paddock across the road that have been replaced by Iron horses(motor bikes).
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                          Thu, September 10, 2009 - 11:32 AM
                          I'd have both. A light fast horse, and a small motorcycle. Both are better suited than the other for different jobs. Bikes are definitely quicker and faster to get ready if you gotta scram on the drop of a hat, easier to stow in a bush if you have to go check something out. They have a longer range too, and can wait hours or days or weeks without tending or food or water, until you return and need it.

                          Horses are quieter than the buzz of an engine, can cover some terrain that a bike won't, like severely rocky broken ground, and rivers that run deeper than the air intake on your bike. They can be harder to track as long as they aren't dropping crap every ten feet, they also allow you to lay low or hang to one side and approach wild animals much closer than you would be able to otherwise, a very useful trait if you need to hunt for food and gotta make those shots count. They also have a built-in radar to sense incoming predators or trouble.
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    Re: Baffling Bay Area Ridiculousness

    Mon, September 14, 2009 - 1:15 PM
    Z"too scared to call the police"???????????????? that IS fuckin' ridiculous and also stupid.
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      Mon, September 14, 2009 - 2:22 PM
      There are always individuals with this missing trigger of survival instinct. A guy will see a vehicle coming towards him out of control, and just stare at it, dumbfounded, like a deer, until he gets hit and killed. could have run, could have dove out of the way, but stood there, blank in his brain.

      Accounts of sunken-ship survivors are also full of individuals who did nothing to preserve themselves as the water rushed about their legs.

      Call them dysgenics, call them badly wired, call them whatever you want, but for one reason or another, a certain ammount of any animal population is not equipped or ill-equipped for surviving. In the natural world, these individuals are quickly culled out. In the human world, they have been protected long enough to grow in numbers and become a substantial portion of the population. The only frustrating part is that they can clog up the freeways when survivors are trying to escape disaster, or fall down in doorways during an evacuation, causing a chain reaction of stampede-victims who would otherwise have gotten out just fine.

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