Survivalist livestock

topic posted Wed, June 17, 2009 - 3:31 PM by  Ambivert
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Goats. Milk, cheese, meat, hides, draft, companionship. Small enough and sufficiently available that most folks could acquire and keep them.

My sisterfriend boards my goats with her goats. If/when SHTF, the goats are already trained to load up into any available vehicle (we used to transport ours in a Subaru station wagon!) *or* to take their place in a rope line and lead out. Goats on a rope line can also carry packs, and some of ours are comfortable doing that; others of them are trained to draft.


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  • Re: Survivalist livestock

    Wed, June 17, 2009 - 3:33 PM
    Chickens, keep the bugs down, easy to maintain, and reproduce.
    Eggs, meat, feathers
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      Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:17 PM
      yeah, and if you have a roaming coop for the chickens, you can move them around to de-bug/fertilize where you need it. With the goats, you can use them to clean up any scrub type brush from a field if you need it somewhat cleared. There is a Goat Herders anonymous Tribe, and a Chickens Tribe.
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        Re: Survivalist livestock

        Thu, June 18, 2009 - 10:16 AM
        Well I haven't got my rabbits trained to do much other than eat the excess garden greens ,make little rabbits (they're real good at that ) and make poo for fertilizer .but they make my girlfriend happy and keep her busy .Still working on getting chickens.
        • Re: Survivalist livestock

          Thu, June 18, 2009 - 2:33 PM
          rabbits, goats and chickens are the obvious choice for easy care critters.
          i'm a big fan of sheep too. nice critters to raise (a lot easier to get along with than goats. goats are not the symbol for anarchy by accident)
          i really like goat meat, but still, it's tough to beat a tasty lamb shoulder roast. Yummmmmm.
          • Re: Survivalist livestock

            Thu, June 18, 2009 - 2:43 PM
            I love mutton. Sheep liver is delicious, and have you ever had scrambled blood? Did you know (well, bet you did Patrick) that you can scramble blood just like eggs? Try adding it to some sauteed onions and garlic... yum.

            But I frequently hit the field in my utilikilt (I do actually have some Scottish heritage, not that it's required), and if I started to keep sheep... people would talk.
            • Re: Survivalist livestock

              Mon, July 20, 2009 - 8:37 PM
              Scrambled blood...we learn something new each day. I can see how it would taste damn good. And yet.
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                Re: Survivalist livestock

                Tue, July 21, 2009 - 10:47 AM
                I grew up around Scandinavian culture, they make blood pudding, blood sausages, and blood bread. The blood pudding is quite literally cow or pig blood boiled down to a thick, gelatinous goop. Looks gross, tastes like steak. I liked the blood sausages well enough because they were like garlicky steak with pepper. The blood bread, though, was a bit of a stretch for me. It was good warm but I didn't like it cold.
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                  Re: Survivalist livestock

                  Tue, July 21, 2009 - 10:50 AM
                  And as for my choice of livestock. I like goats a lot, I think after them I'd choose an egg-laying duck breed because duck eggs are big, taste great, and they're excellent for baking, in fact, in France and Belgium, they're highly sought after by pastry chefs for the fat and protein content that produces a richer baked good.

                  I've also heard good things about cooking with turkey and goose eggs, though I've not had the chance to try them. Quail might be nice because they're very compact and also have delicious, though small eggs.
              • Re: Survivalist livestock

                Tue, July 21, 2009 - 2:55 PM
                I've made a dish for my honey that I believe is or should be called blood pudding...

                We got a vacuum pack of four pork shoulder roasts; there was perhaps six cups of blood in after we removed the roasts. Seemed a shame to just pour it over the dog dinner or down the sink, so I finely sliced some onions, laid them in the bottom of a small baking dish, poured the blood over them, added granulated garlic, a wee bit of pepper and earth salt over the top and slid it in a 350 degree oven and baked it for maybe an hour. He was transported by culinary delight; I couldn't quite get far enough past the concept to get any in my own mouth. :-P
          • Sheep

            Thu, June 18, 2009 - 2:47 PM
            Hey Patrick - you know the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scotsman?

            Mick Jagger sings, "Hey! You! Get off of my cloud!"

            A Scotsman hollers, "Hey! McCloud! Gie aff ay mah ewe!
            • Re: Sheep

              Thu, June 18, 2009 - 3:17 PM
              i do know that the fried blood in the pan is the tastiest bit. i'll try that. thanks.
              when we raised sheep, i heard all the 'ewe' jokes.
              my old lada was my 'ewe'haul.
              • Re: Sheep

                Thu, June 18, 2009 - 4:08 PM
                I heard thet Scotts weare kilts , so the sheep cant hear them sneekin' up!
                • Re: Sheep

                  Thu, June 18, 2009 - 4:23 PM
                  You'd make a killing selling kilts to New Zealanders, more sheep than people over there.
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                    Re: Sheep

                    Thu, June 18, 2009 - 4:39 PM
                    that's cool with me. sheep are nicer than many people.
  • Re: Survivalist livestock

    Sat, June 20, 2009 - 12:38 AM
    I'm wondering if regular access to goat's milk, along with (of course) any wildcrafted foods could stave off rabbit starvation...? Is anyone aware of any applicable info?
    • Re: Survivalist livestock

      Sat, June 20, 2009 - 8:00 AM
      Rabbit starvation only occurs when all you eat is rabbit in the winter, as far as I understand it. There is not enough fat and calories to provide you with the energy needed to survive in the winter from just rabbits. If you use rabbits as your protein source and eat fruits and vegetables you will be fine.
      • Re: Survivalist livestock

        Sat, June 20, 2009 - 10:03 AM
        I think a stew would be the best survival food. Simple three part stew. Meat,potato and veggie. I think Ill have to get some small cans of Dinty Moore stew and see how long the shelf life is. I might be able to survive on it. Free
      • Re: Survivalist livestock

        Sat, June 20, 2009 - 10:16 AM
        It has been my understanding that rabbit starvation can happen with any extremely lean meat as the sole diet; it's just that it happens most often with rabbits.

        You can very nearly live on goat's milk, and some breeds have pretty high butter fat. What I don't know is if that would be enough fat to offset rabbit starvation. Goat milk, grains, winter squash, dried fruit....most chickens don't lay much in the winter, but you might get a few eggs; that would help. I be along about February you'd give a lot for a couple bushels of root cellar apples, potatoes and cabbages, though!


        It occurs to me that I'm operating from the expectation that I wouldn't have much stores to draw on, nor anything like winter garden in place as I pretty much *will* have to bug out from this lousy apartment if/when SHTF; the only self reliance I really have *here* is my backstocks and what I've identified in parks, including my guerilla gardening. If a body has had a few months at least in place, it'd be different. That's one of the reasons that I'm such a proponent of goats...they relocate pretty easily, unlike rabbits. We do have goats, rabbits, chickens and even a pair of Blue Slate turkeys---free from the blindness gene, w00t!---and at least a trio of rabbits and a couple cages of birds would be some of what the goats would pack/cart out. But that's food months from then---if you eat your breeding stock, you're obviously SOL. You could stop and milk the goats any time, though, and they'd be having a *very* good time nibbling the track.
        • Re: Survivalist livestock

          Sun, June 21, 2009 - 9:03 AM
          I heard that having a llama with your flock of whatever will protect them from coyotes or mountain lions. The llama will kick the predator in the head to knock them out, and then sit on them to knock them out. You can also use your llama as a pack animal.
          • Re: Survivalist livestock

            Sun, June 21, 2009 - 9:18 AM
            Idon't know if it applies to livestock, but homing pigeons would be really helpful. I know it's a big process to train them though.
            • Re: Survivalist livestock

              Sun, June 21, 2009 - 10:07 AM
              we have a llama. he's really cool and is very protective of the sheep.
              pigeons are also good eating. i'm not sure how practical homing pigeons are, though.
              they have to be taken elsewhere, and will come home as needed, but i'm not sure how practical this talent is to a survivalist.
              i would think that a ham radio would be a lot more useful for communication.
          • Re: Survivalist livestock

            Sun, July 19, 2009 - 1:12 AM
            Llamas are great stock guardians (they actually stomp with their front feet then do a sort of body slam the predator, pretty effective).
            Apparently, you want females for guard duty. The people that keep one in our front pasture to protect the sheep say a male will try to mate with a ewe in heat and kill her, who would thunk it?
            • Re: Survivalist livestock

              Mon, July 20, 2009 - 12:38 PM
              What about pigs? You guys like pigs? I hear that wild pigs are taking over the country and are becoming a problem. They are dangerous but thats alot of meat. Is it easy to raise piggies?

              Trout farm, anyone?
              • Re: Survivalist livestock

                Mon, July 20, 2009 - 4:35 PM
                yes, pigs are an easy animal to raise, if you have proper pens.
                one good plan is to by a 'weiner pig', a weanling, in the spring. grow it up over the summer feeding garden scraps and greens and stuff that is cheap and readily available, and butcher it in late fall.
                you'd score over 100lbs of meat, cheaply.
                • Re: Survivalist livestock

                  Mon, July 20, 2009 - 7:14 PM
                  I would prefer eating that until I aquire a taste for goat!! bacon, bbq ribs, pork chops........I never tried chitlins'
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                    Re: Survivalist livestock

                    Mon, July 20, 2009 - 8:30 PM
                    Bacon, along with a few other ways were are used to, takes a lot of work to prepare. Anyone ever processed a pig themselves? How about curing or smoking, any experience? I'd love to hear about it if you have.
                    • Re: Survivalist livestock

                      Tue, July 21, 2009 - 11:29 AM
                      All I know how to do is roast a whole pig. I have done it Hawaiian style in a pit, and slow roasted them over fire constantly brushing coconut milk on the skin to make it crispy. I know how to raost and barbeque ribs.

                      I dont know how to make bacon.
                      • Re: Survivalist livestock

                        Thu, September 3, 2009 - 5:18 PM
                        to make bacon you take that lateral 'flank' muscle that spans the area from the end of the ribs to the beginning of the pelvic bone. Like when you do side crunches... that same muscle on a pig. You take it and cut it into cross-sectional strips. Voila. That is bacon.
                        • Re: Survivalist livestock

                          Thu, September 3, 2009 - 11:00 PM
                          Uh...I *think* that's side pork. Bacon is cured---that's what makes it *bacon*.

                          :-P
                          • Re: Survivalist livestock

                            Fri, September 4, 2009 - 6:24 PM
                            I didn't know bacon needed curing. I guess it does taste kinda salty. But that is the part of the pig where bacon comes from. I am sure of that much.
                            • Re: Survivalist livestock

                              Fri, September 4, 2009 - 11:16 PM
                              And smoking. You're right about where it comes off the pig, though.

                              Probably terrible of me, but as much as I enjoy the companionship of goats and chickens when I look at a pig I always see dotted lines---cut HERE for picnic; cut HERE for bacon; cut HERE for chops.... :-P
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    Re: Survivalist livestock

    Tue, July 21, 2009 - 12:53 PM
    Here's a link to a blog with charcuterie recipes. Enjoy:

    porkandwhiskey.wordpress.com/cat...rie/
    • Re: Survivalist livestock

      Tue, July 21, 2009 - 2:44 PM
      I have 20 chickens 5 ducks 1 huge turkey named Bob.

      We are at the point of being overrun with ferrule hogs. About ten years ago we had alot of flooding here in NC and many hog farmers turned pigs loose to keep them from drowning. Pigs revert to the wild faster than most amimals so they not only survived they thrived. They take a big toll on crops and many farmers kill or pay to have killed many a hog. The older Boars well over 500 pounds are tough and gamie the females with young are dangerous. But a young 60-80 pound pig is good eating. I have slaughtered alot of pigs made lots of sausage cooked alot on the grill(like any good NC boy I have my own pig cooker) but a ferrule hog has thicker skin and thick fur. I dress it like a dear gut it and skin it.
      • Re: Survivalist livestock

        Thu, September 3, 2009 - 5:22 PM
        I can't wait to get out to the Ozarks, I'm gonna clean out their feral pig problem for good. I hear they have no limit, just want to be rid of the bastards. I hate pigs but I like pork. Sounds like there's a simple solution in that equation somewhere.... A Final solution!
  • Re: Urban Survivalist Livestock

    Wed, July 22, 2009 - 7:42 PM
    So you live in the Big City and times are bleak. It's the Age of the Slow Downward Shuffle. What livestock do you keep in your co-op apartment compound? Rabbits. Guinea pigs. A couple of milk goats on the roof. Also, chickens. If times got terribly bad, you could go for cats, or dogs, and pigeons.
    • Re: Urban Survivalist Livestock

      Fri, September 4, 2009 - 10:01 PM
      Thing is with all these animals in a co-oped apartment, you'll need to work out the carrying capacity of the land and resources around you, otherwise to many animals will lead to decimation of what ever you have. Then your stuffed. Problem in the cities the majority of the arable land is covered with tar and houses.

      Then there's water, what happens when the hoses and taps stop running? People may struggle to find clean drinking water. Then what ever crops, fruit trees, and pastures you have will need water for a bumper harvest, and still what if the harvest is poor? The co-op will need to source more, for replanting and food for themselves plus animals.

      In the cities i know street wild rats, pigeons, dogs,bandicoots,possums,foxes, and cats thrive only because we thrive in excess. I'm pretty sure these animals will disappear when the excess food does. Rats seem to be pretty supreme survivors, and scavengers, if you had colony of rats I recon that would be the go in the city.

      If you had a small dog you could train it catch them for you, I use fox terriers for feral rabbits. One of my mates uses a couple of wolf hound X Rhodesian ridge back, for feral pigs, the dogs have body armor to.
      • Re: Urban Survivalist Livestock

        Sun, September 6, 2009 - 11:49 AM
        I guess they would need body armor for the pigs. I'm not really sure what a bandicoot is or looks like, I'm sure it's yet another strange small critter from OZ that's ten times more vicious than it looks. That's just how it is with australian animals. they look like any little badger or marmot and then they wander up to you all cute, bite your leg off, digest it, and crap it out before you can flinch.

        The only ones that really creep me out are the koalas. They haven't, to my knowledge, shown their true side yet and bitten off anyone's leg like all the other aussie critters. They just sit there all quiet and calm with that peaceful look on their face, you KNOW they're planning something evil.

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