What are some fun ideas/mods for a bug-out-vehicle?
I have a friend who mounted a small metal tank to his motorcycle, filled with antifreeze or fog-juice, with a 12-volt pump, and a copper line tapped into one of his header pipes. With a hot running engine, he can flip a switch and voila! instant whiteout smokescreen from his exhaust! (if you've ever been behind someone who blew their head-gasket, you'll know it really is a white-out fog.
Once I had a bike with a flame-thrower exhaust mod (spark plug in the exhaust end, with a coil.... choke the carbs to send rich fuel down the lines and voila! one or two feet of really loud FLAME out the back of your exhaust! I can't really think of any 'bugout' practical use for that one, but it was sure fun to show people!
Do you know of other neat doable (have been done) things to really trick-out and gagetize a vehicle? If you were a tinkerer and somewhat of a backyard engineer, had a vehicle you could dedicate purely as a 'bug out vehicle'... what kinds of mods would you do to it?
I have a friend who mounted a small metal tank to his motorcycle, filled with antifreeze or fog-juice, with a 12-volt pump, and a copper line tapped into one of his header pipes. With a hot running engine, he can flip a switch and voila! instant whiteout smokescreen from his exhaust! (if you've ever been behind someone who blew their head-gasket, you'll know it really is a white-out fog.
Once I had a bike with a flame-thrower exhaust mod (spark plug in the exhaust end, with a coil.... choke the carbs to send rich fuel down the lines and voila! one or two feet of really loud FLAME out the back of your exhaust! I can't really think of any 'bugout' practical use for that one, but it was sure fun to show people!
Do you know of other neat doable (have been done) things to really trick-out and gagetize a vehicle? If you were a tinkerer and somewhat of a backyard engineer, had a vehicle you could dedicate purely as a 'bug out vehicle'... what kinds of mods would you do to it?
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 12:39 AMHold a match to your horses butt when he fart's is a cool bug out vehichle!!
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 6:02 PMI'd say you need a 4x4 with enough space to seat your family. At least a utility trailer to pack alot of food and supplies. Build a box at the back your vehichle that will hold 50 pound's of roofing nail's with a sliding bottom door and a rope. Or a Ford Bronco named the little mule with a loopis escape down at the creek. Tie a fence post drove full of spike's under your back bumper with a quick release knot. Drill a couple of hole's in your trunk with mounted fully auto ak 47's pointing out the back.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 11:32 AMStunt planes do much the same thing by running oil over their exhaust manifolds.
Didn't Monster Garage do this? That show rocks. -
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 5:43 PMSome dirt track car racer's pour oil on their manifolds to deter people from claiming their engine. How bout giant paint balls shot out of a potato gun mounted to the trunk. -
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 8:13 PMI've seen some cars from Latin American countries mount flame jets to shoot several feet of flame from beneath the driver door to dissuade car-jackings. I wouldn't mind doing that to the car.
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 10:57 PMdump a big bag of marbles out the window. -
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 9:11 AMHaha Brent. Low tech and reliable....
That reminded me of one of my friends.... back when we were angry punk kids, if someone pissed him off on the freeway he'd pass them, grab a handfull of change (he always kept the ash tray full of pennies and nickels) and throw it out the window so it would F**** up their paint job. Imagine driving into a floating, bouncing cloud of pennies at 80 miles per hour with your fancy BMW.... I don't think he did it but once or twice ever. -
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 11:05 AMIf you're going to vandalize someone's car, you should at least do it with ice. Less evidence. -
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 3:16 PMlol hard to keep ice on hand in an old geo metro with no A.C. --as per my punk friend.
I'm not in the vandalizing business. If my bug-out vehicle needs an offensive form of defense, it would probably need to be something that incapacitates the threat, not something that just pisses them off and makes them want to kill me. I've heard of some people rigging shotties to their undercarriage... something I would never do and probably don't want to discuss in open forum. I'm more interested in neat gadgets.
I thought of an idea for a winch. Because Harbor freight has an electric bumper-mount winch on sale occasionally for like fifty bucks, but it only does 4800lbs flat-tow... meaning it will max out and melt trying to pull anything up a slope (as per onto a trailer), or out of a bog. MY IDEA: A simple compound pulley system? Instead of hooking the cable to a tree to pull yourself out of a mire, hook a pulley to a tree. run the cable through it, and then back to the bumper. Doubles the mechanical advantage, thereby doubling your winching power, right?
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 3:28 PMCorrect on the doubled mechanical advantage and winching capacity. The only cost is speed, and losses due to friction in the pulleys/snatch blocks.
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 3:57 PMYou guys seem very convinced somebody will be chasing your bug-out vehicle!
My gadgety mods include (and were mostly added to enhance PRE-Apocalyptic offroad utility):
● Ham radio
● Night vision
● Onboard air and self-vulcanizing rubber flat repair supplies
● Topographic maps of the entire U.S., plus Baja, in a hardened MIL-SPEC laptop connected to GPS
● Data-capable satellite phone
● ANALOG cellphone with 5-watt booster
● Solar panels
● 12-volt frig/freezer
● Offroad trailer with 44 gallons of drinking water, expedition filter, tankless water heater, 22 pounds of propane, sleeping for four, generator, in addition to traditional camping equipment.
● The obvious complete inventory of tools and spare parts, water and provisions, and medical supplies.
Most of these should be handy in a bug-out situation. Of course, depending on the nature of the emergency, some functionality might be lost (e.g., loss of satellites). -
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 4:12 PMThat's a pretty nice rig. What's the vehicle?
I'm not so worried about pursuit, I had just mentioned the foggers as a fun gadget.
I think the bigger problem is moving at all, with road blocks, traffic jams, accidents, or road debris.... Here's where Brent starts telling me about horses again... And where I start making the argument for motorcycles.
I don't know what I'm gonna do when I have a family though. You can have a really kickass jeep but that's not going to help you if the road is blocked up too badly for anything other than a motorcycle or even a bicycle.
I guess that's where James Bond pushes the rocket launcher button. Clear out that fallen tree. -
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 4:26 PMThanks. It's a Land Rover Defender 90, with a CampaATT trailer.
I concur with your thoughts about "moving at all." From where I am in the Los Angeles basin, surrounded mostly by mountains and ocean, it's a concern. With several million others also bugging-out, all major highways will likely be jammed, assuming they're even still passable. So the alternative is mapping out routes unlikely to be taken by others: gated fire roads over the San Gabriel Mountains, for instance.
A horse or motorcycle definitely give you some more options, but at the expense of cargo. How much food and water and other essentials can you strap to your bike or mount? I guess it depends what distance you expect to travel, how fast you need to cover those miles, how permanently you plan to be out, what you expect to scavenge along the way, and your abilities at living off the land.
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Fri, March 7, 2008 - 8:13 PMWhen you have a family, Thousand, that's when the gas guzzling air polluting, SUV global warming machine road monster comes in. Something big enough to haul your family and food and gear. Plus you dont want to bug out without your horses so get the big tow package. They can come in handy for some serious off road bugging out into the hill's.
night vision contraption's are on my list. That's one thing I've neglected to get.
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Thu, March 6, 2008 - 4:33 PMA Ford 350 van 4X4 with run flat tires, and and over-chassis welded armor shell with window slits/gunports that lifts off with a comealong or block and takle on an A-frame. A friend of mine in Northen California built it(with my help) he can fit everything he needs into it with room to seat 4. It's his "Get the fuck outta Dodge" vehicle. He keeps it's tank full and adds Sta-Bil as needed. It will just make it to Oregon on that tank of gas from his house. I came up with the drop on armor shell. Where I live now I now the "back way out" of town and I live less than a 2 hour drive on the back roads to the Hoosier National Forest that I have reconoitered. I can also walk there in a day. -
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Sat, March 8, 2008 - 1:14 PMi have to chime in with my sail boat, a catalina 30 foot sloop ready to sail the ocean blue. i have alot of solar toys lol -
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Sat, March 8, 2008 - 1:21 PMHey Rick, I was wondering, do you have a solar still or some other way of creating drinkable water from the sea? Maybe like a kevin costner (waterworld) pee recycling machine?
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Sat, March 8, 2008 - 11:48 PMSince Rick is always touting his sailboat, I'd like to know what he plans to do when pirates with 90-hp. Evinrudes and McMillan sniper rifles start shooting at him and his boat from well beyond the range of his shotgun. How about 1 Rick + 1 shotgun vs. 2 powerboats full of armed pirates?
If I had to bugout by land tomorrow, there's no way in hell my old rustbucket CJ is going to make it (I know that because it doesn't even run right now), so I'm going to steal--I meant "commandeer"--a car from one of my neighbours, then drive straight on over to the nearest commercial construction site (a fat lot of them around here, these days), shoot anybody who gets in my way, commandeer one of those big-ass triaxle dumptrucks, throw all my kit and people into the bed, and drive straight the hell out of town, through or over any of the slower traffic that happens to be in my lane. If I have time, I might take a couple of minutes to weld some quarter-inch steel plate and some Mad Max shit all over the outside for shock value. -
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Sun, March 9, 2008 - 12:05 AMyou'll have to weld the mad max shit on there cause the first car you hit will push your bumper into your steer tires. Even side swiping another vehichle can blow a tire. Even on dual's the rubber slapping around can blow out the tire next to it. garbage in the road can knock off a air line then there you sit. A truck cant really take the mashing and bashing like you see in the movies. They get busted radiator's and bent tie rods and broken spring's, ripped airlines and broken brake chamber's. Slamming just one car would probably put you out of service.
But If your commandeering it from a construction site you may have a welder and steel on hand to go ahead and mad max it out. -
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Sun, March 9, 2008 - 4:12 PMHaha that's some pretty good creativity. Brent is right about those big trucks and their vulnerabilities.... Now, if you lived in Utah, you could comandeer a snowplow! Essentially a dumptruck with a severely beefed up engine, a six-ton payload of salt and sand to keep your momentum through those 'traffic accidents' and a half-inch thick plate of steel plow to protect your front and radiator from collision and ballistic threats. Not to mention chains already mounted on the tyres. you'll never run out of traction, momentum, or pushing power. Plus, you don't have to shoot anyone at the construction site. The plow stations are usually unmanned, and kept safe with a whimpy chain link fence and a padlock.
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Sun, March 9, 2008 - 4:14 PMAh yes... and many plow stations have a fuel reserve on-hand and/or are kept topped-up in the tanks. if you think about it, plows are deployed under conditions of emergency that can closely resemble a 'bugout' situation. they're up to the task. -
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Mon, March 10, 2008 - 12:11 PMfirst of all why would two armed pirates boats with evenrudes attacke me? i offer meager spoils of war. did you know all it takes to foul dual 40 hp evenrudes is a hundred feet of that cheap plastic yellow rope? just trail it behind you, tack one way, then the other and release and presto no more thundering evenrudes as their props have a few hours untangling to be dealt with. if you look at how many people on land vs at sea or who own boats allready in the wateryou would realize your chances of escape on land have 100 to 1 odds compared to mine. if you dont want to see any one head east on the water, do not head straight to hawaii or new zeland as everyone else will, do not chart with fair weather as everyone else will. simple plans are easier to execute. -
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 1:24 AMYour right Rick. I've had experience with ski rope in the prop. It's worse than rock's in the jet pump.
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 5:02 PMNo plows around here. We've got a lot of front-end loaders, though. I suppose that one of those would work just as well in a pinch. I'll probably have to hija...commandeer a fuel tanker, too, though.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 11:41 AMconsider this
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www.railriders.net/index1.html
as Bugout Vehicles. I would consider that tracks go through territory that won't likely be traveled by people. They will stick to the roads. At least at first. They usually haven't direct paths through towns, cities. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 11:56 AMAny idea of the possible payload of one of those rail vehicles? I have tracks running right through the small town I live in and they go through every small town south of me in this state and north of me in Illinois.But going south gets me closer to the Hoosier National Forest. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 12:25 PMNo not personally...from looking at them I would suppose those bike types would top out at 150lbs depending on the basic bike. Those four wheel ones though I would think they would go much higher.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 7:58 PMI tend to go low-tech...if I had the $, I'd have the windows on my 4x4 armored up with smash-proof film (it can stop a .22 round) and I'd have 1/2-inch steel plate bolted to the inside of the tailgate and to a front-end ram plate. I'd add to that a custom roll cage for the bed, with an aluminum roof. For the cab, a police-style gun rack, and pistol holsters riveted to the doors. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:31 PMyou are aware that 1/2 inch steel plate the size of a truck tailgate is gonna weigh about five hundred pounds, right? There are much lighter (and more effective) ballistic materials. Hell, you could fill the tailgate with cement it would weigh half that, and work just as well. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 10:24 PMI didn't know it would weight that much. Yeah, I guess sand bags or cement would do the same thing and weigh less. I once saw this youtube video where these guys fired steel core .223 rounds thru 1/2 inch plate steel, and those rounds went thru the steel like hot knives thru butter. Perfect holes. They were testing Dragonskin body armor and showing how it could stop the same steel core rounds. Anyway, ever since I saw that I've figured that if you want to stop a .223 round you're going to need some stout armor. Hmm, I wonder if filling a tailgate with gravel would be effective. It's supposed to disperse the energy. -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 11:09 PMThey now make a synthetic that is better than kevlar and it comes in plates for use with vehicles. I didn't bother to find out the name because I am sure it is out of my price range.You can do a search for it through the Discovery Channel show Future Weapons. It is first being used on Navy Seal Zodiac boats. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:57 PMum... would that be the nanotube carbon fiber? That stuff is pretty awesome.
Another 'up and coming' technology is spider web... No, seriously. Black widow web is I forget how much stronger than steel, but I almost wanna say a thousand or so, weight for weight... Pretty hard to get spiders to spin you up a shirt though...
So, they genetically altered a GOAT! Yes, I'm dead serious. They just look like normal goats, the only difference is their milk contains the web proteins of black widows.... a little bit of refinement and you've got spider-thread from goat milk. I have no idea why they used a goat. I saw a small panel of this stuff stop a bullet once. And it did NOT take much fiber.... It looked more like cheese cloth than a ballistic panel. The stuff is seriously strong.
I suppose after a story so outlandish, I oughta offer some backup story.
www.forbes.com/global/2001/0219/061.html
oops... I guess it's an 'orb weaver' spider. Not a black widow. My bad.
CHECK IT OUT! cool stuff. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:59 PM.223 is some serious stuff.
Here's a pretty interesting study of ballistic penetration on different wall fillers. The study pertains more to house walls, but could just as easily go for automotive panels.
huts.com/Huts'sBallisticTest.htm
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