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Think on this: (hypothetical situation) You want your family with you in an EOW scenario, and your sister would be a beneficial addition to your camp. Her husband is another story entirely; a complete drain, no valuable skills, and he's a BIG guy who eats enough for 2 adults. In real life, he's useless, and you can't fathom him changing. What decision do you make? This is your future too.
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Re: lazy, no-good in-laws
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:31 AMits ashame that people have to have accedents with no doctor around.
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IN REAL LIFE .............
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 3:10 PMmy brother has superior carpentry skills including post / beam construction ........ his skills and tools are to die for ......his physical ability and prowess in the wilderness are excellent.... he has voted against gun ownership and money for state land to hunt on ..... he has voted against off shore natural gas drilling which right now could employ more than 200 K union workers just right here off the coast of NJ and Del ....... he looks for candidates who will totally oultaw guns and archery hunting as well ............ yes his 2 children are very cute and they are my nephews but ............... he is not welcome ......... this is reality ......... my cousins and I all love my brother ...........but ..........he is not welcome .....callous and un christian some would say .............. one does not invite the devil in just because you are chilled and could use some heat -
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Re: IN REAL LIFE .............
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 5:24 PMIf the balloon goes up and you're stuck with sis and fatty brother in law for an unforseeable reason or circumstance, I wouldn't expect any feeling human to be able to turn them out. But, while the sun shines and you have time and ability to line up your ducks, try to preemptively slice that potential scenario out of the picture. Unless your sister can haul her husband's dead weight, and forego her own food rations enough to satisfy his fatass, and kick him in the teeth whenever his worthlessness starts to create friction in the group, I'd just as soon circumvent the drama.
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Re: lazy, no-good in-laws
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:16 AMThere's no knowing how the situation might bring out his male instincts to provide and protect. He might be useless in today's world because he doesn't have any focus or challenge and no motivation to seek any. Find him some useful work within his abilities and reward him if he succeeds. Also he can go short rations if he's been saving up calories already! If he can't be useful around camp then he can specialize in high risk salvage missions..... its a tough old world. -
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Re: lazy, no-good in-laws
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:48 AMdesignate a manual labor job for the fat fuck within your crew. Cut his rations and make him work as hard as everyone else and team him up with someone he can learn skills from. He will probably change his ways and become usefull. If this doesn't help, Take him out back and beat his ass. Threaten to dump him off somewhere in bumfuct' Egypt after you break one of his legs. Those are his alternatives.
This has actually worked for me at my job. Haven't had to break anyones leg yet, either. -
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Re: lazy, no-good in-laws
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 2:46 PMYou guys are a trip! I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. :)
Okay, thought about this constantly the last 3 days in the woods (it's turkey season!) and I came up with this. An extra pair of eyes is an extra pair of eyes. Put big bro-in-law on sentry duty at a low-priority post and have him keep a 12 hour day. He can take his lunch and dinner bags to his post and take meal breaks by himself. No 2nd or 3rd helpings available, problem solved. Give him a gun, and let him take down extra game while he's on lookout, maybe he'll develop some pride in himself by providing for the compound. If he can't cut it as a hunter, threaten to stick him with childcare duty to emasculate him. My guess? He will probably choose solitary confinement with a chance to shoot something over being head nanny.
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YOU LAUGHED ????
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:03 PMhe is lazy , fat , no skills , a real load and you would put him on guard duty with a loaded weapon and a sandwich ??????? that is some hypothetical answer ............. this is why we will be picking over the dead should the occasion arise -
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PS
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:15 PManother pair of eyes ?? someone to stand guard duty ???? will let my friends on the peninsula know to be on the lookout across the border for more free stuff should the occasion arise ............ just look for a really fat dead guy holding a 9 MM and the crust of a sandwich that was supposed to be guarding your family and pets as 120 armed urbanites from Madison descend upon your group .......... -
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Re: PS
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:49 PMI just can't stop imagining this guy as Gomer Pyle -
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:35 AMI think I might have to toughen up some more, huh? Would you all seriously shoot him in the head at the door? I guess Laurel & I are the only ones who try to see the benefit in a less than desirable human being. -
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:43 AMYeah, I laughed pretty hard. You guys are incredibly harsh. But that is why I'm on Survivalist tribe; to learn from others viewpoints.
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 4:57 AMUm... Surely you meant Milwaukee, or Chicago. There are probably more tree-huggers, anti-gun, peace activists there than anywhere else in the state.
We should ALL be well educated about firearms, and know how to use each in our inventory. Should the time come, I will make certain that every capable person in my camp has had training with respect to guns, even if I have to train each person myself.
Didn't I mention that big boy would be stationed at a low-priority post? -
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 7:33 AMI think the chicken coop is too high priority for Gomer Pyle.
if he shaped up A LOT.... I might let him guard the outhouse.
I wouldn't shoot him in the head, but I'd sure rather not have him around if I could avoid it. If I was stuck with him, I'd be a downright bastard to him and spare no patience for him. If he was trying, I'd ease up. If he was a lazy ass and kept dropping the ball out of apathy and sloth, I'd lock him up in solitary confinement for a while, at quarter-rations. for that much, I'm not kidding. -
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 7:43 AMIt's a simple matter of risk. In a survival situation like you're describing, one person dropping their responsabilities puts EVERYONE else at risk. It either stretches the logistics of manpower to the breaking point, or it could open you up to disaster. If Gomer leaves the potatoes in a pile in the rain instead of peeling and packing like he was supposed to, somebody could starve to death. So you treat the offense as if he had deliberately starved someone to death. It's serious. If Gomer falls asleep at his guard post, somebody or everybody could die as a result. You make each person responsable for the consequences of their actions and inactions. I'd rather be a live asshole slave driver than a dead nice guy counselor -
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:29 AMI have zero patience when it comes to slackers & mooches. But, as a woman, the nurturing side of my character is very strong. It's a struggle to put aside my caring nature. When TSHTF, maybe the best idea would be to shut Gomer out at the start, and avoid the inevitable distress a person like him is guaranteed to subject the rest of the camp to. Let sis decide whether she'd rather stay with Gomer, or ensure her own survival.
(I'm getting tougher already...) -
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:04 AMI don't know. He's carrying a grudge, your sister, and knowledge of your whereabouts..... Which is riskier? -
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:17 AMDamn it! I hadn't yet thought about that. He knows where we are, and he's been shunned. Gomer gets more & more dangerous by the minute...
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:58 AMI agree with your points here. The questions is in this case, this exact situation, is the risk greater to take him in and hopefully fix him, with harsh direction and harsh consequences if he fails the team, or cut him loose, possibly with your sister en tow, carry a grudge and with knowledge of where you are?
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Re: PS
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:22 AMNow this makes me laugh. That group from armed urbanites from Madison of all places-once I was one of them. I can take all 120 of them by myself. They have no clue how to live out here, how to hide, how to move quietly, and if they get past the dogs, I'll pick em off from hillsides until there's nothing left. Even BIL could do it. :-) -
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Re: PS
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 10:44 AMhmmm, someone has expressed doubt about our ability to handle this ravenous group of gangbangers....sorry, but this doesn't worry me much. I only respect/fear those who know how to aim before they shoot. This group couldn't take us by surprise.
There's plenty of groups I would fear, some I might even lose the place too, well organized and experienced. This group - if they even got here, not a threat.
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:52 AMInteresting reaction. So you believe that no one will change after the world changes? We may be in a sitution where every living human being is a rare thing, what then? Still dump the fatties?
I have several entry points where I'll need someone to sit all day. Would you want me to put someone more valuable there?
A catastrophic change is going to change people. Its going to raise the stakes, yes. But assuming that only your fellow survivalists deserve to live is a short sighted view. I'll put a group of 20 defending their home, trained by me, up against the wandering vagabonds and raiders anyday. They'll find an easier target and if BIL (brother in law) makes one damn shot the whole time he's an asset. -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:02 AMhere's a thought ;-) perhaps it depends on whether you plan on running a compound or a roaming band of thugs?? no offense meant. -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:47 AMwrap bars of soap in some towels and start slugging him with them in the middle of the night. -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:02 AMI think I need to watch "Full Metal Jacket" again.
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:25 AMIsn't that how the leader got killed? -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 12:29 PMI don't remember the movie very well, but I remember the soap-beating scene. That would hurt so bad. -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 2:31 PMbeat him with the soap, but dont give him any m14 rifles -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 5:37 PMThis is my rifle!
There are many others like it but this one is mine! -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 5:40 PMon a more serious note, if you need more than one person stationed as guard-duty, you're living in the wrong place. You can't afford to have ten armed supervisors and one guy plowing the field. Go to a safer place where all you need is to be on a general alert in the worst case scenario. -
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Re: YOU LAUGHED ????
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 6:23 AMFeed him small blocks of cheese and meat followed by plain water, protein has appetite suppressant qualities. If he's really that lazy I wouldn't stick him on guard duty, he may fall asleep after that sandwich. Manual labour jobs till he's fit and properly trained in small arms.
When worst case scenarios become real some people change for the better, everyone has a little survival instinct, you can even see it in babies when they growing up.
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