Interesting that this subject would raise so much chatter among the men. Gypsy wolf is right, way off topic.

Heard: Feminist leftist bullshit aside, We (the only women brave enough to be IN the discussion) are not willing (or apparently able) to use our sexuality as a weapon, and being women we are too weak to have any other item more useful in our BOB than some mascara.

What I see is an attack on our appearance (without any picture proof available--on purpose), and a great deal of homophobia and insults. All this and not a single response to any points we actually raised on the subject.

I'm disappointed in the lack of substance, perhaps I expect too much from such single minded creatures.... ;-)

Enough, gentlemen. You are out of your realm and it shows. Lets get back to guns.

no I was just remembering the time you had that weird nutbust over my smaurai sword holding picture.

........answer the question

I do understand the subtleties, Red Reagan Face. And where that can get a woman. I would prefer to be valued for my strength, and my courage, and my determination, and my knowledge. I do realize that is not obvious on first glance; what you will see is my physical appearance. And I will be thus judged. But I don't have to like it. Or succumb.

yeah, the reaganomics jab was only a reference to that avatar you have.

what difference does it makes how people party at fort bragg... they were all probably drunk and wanting to get laid. whats it have to do with survival?
You are suggesting that some girls use the sex appeal to get what they want. thats fine... but what about girls who dont want to do it to get surviaval goods from a man?I wouldn't want my mom or little sister resorting to that I dont think they will at all anyway. You got a mom or a little sistser? should they try that shit? is that what you're saying? What if it gets them into trouble and they have unwittingly gained the attention of a rape gang? Shit can happen that you just cant control or even imagine. (by the way Saleel, I totally wouldn't wish that upon you or yours)
I am coming from the frame of thought that there is a dissaster and all hell breaks loose. Ever heard of looters and rapers? That one guys saltfarts or whatever, says that the ladies should include makeup to their bugout bag? You apparently agree to this.

you quoted me here: ((((((<Although this may be true in the case of many men. I do not wish to perpetuate it. >


(and you replied)
Who cares what you wish to do? This is the mindset of someone not suited for austere environments. You exploit every advantage you've got. It is the case of many men, most perhaps, so it would be STUPID in a survival situation not to use what works. )))))end quotes

sure' you should use and exploit your advantages but you also have to calculate the risks you take and how desperate you are to lower your morals and standards. Somone who is capable of that is strong and totally in control. people should strive to be this way and Not settle and worm their way into shit.

here's another quote from you < And this makes you exploitable>

You dont have to wear makeup to get me to help you in a dissaster. If you are good people, I will do what I can.

look, reaganomics. from what I see, you rant and rave about others are not as educated about you or that they are uninformed when they argue with you about things....you sound like you have had alot of ugliness in your life seeing how your outlook on things are. I dont know nor do I want to judge your namecalling ways............................................but you never did answer my question from before.

I did in fact answer your question. you apparently arent bright enough to figure that out.